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Damians rant - Disc Format Or Cartridge Based

In 2013, video games are in the stages of next-gen. All current generation video game consoles use disc-based formats (Xbox/PS3 & Wii). With the first next-generation console, the WiiU, being disc format and using DVD Nine as that format I would say they are using last gen’s technology. With Xbox/PlayStation next-generation consoles using possibly both Blu-Ray as their disc format, they are truly next gen and ahead of the game.

With these next-generation consoles using.....

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blumatt4869d ago

I approved for ya, Damian. Good article btw. The problem with flash storage is price. It's cost prohibitive at the moment.

dedicatedtogamers4868d ago

The 3DS and PSVita both use physical carts. And, the price of those games are typically $30-$40. Add an extra $20 for a console cartridge (bringing it up to the normal price of $60) would allow for larger capacity.

Plus, Cartidges with flash storage have a lot of advantages:

- save files right on the cart
- patches, DLC, etc downloaded right to the cart
- significantly faster load times

And MOST importantly:

- hardware tweaks

What I mean is, "back in the day", game developers were able to include chips and enhancements inside of the cartridge that allowed the game to go beyond what the console would normally be able to handle. Starfox on the SNES would be an example. Metal Gear (with its enhanced sound chip) would be another example. It would be nice if you could have a game like, Crysis 4 on future consoles on a cartridge. Let's say future consoles don't have QUITE enough RAM for Crytek to push the game further. Okay, well just throw a bit into the cartridge itself and you're good to go.

wishingW3L4868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

you're forgetting that development costs is much more lower on handhelds compared to consoles. You don't have to look further than "SDD vs HDD" to see how much more games would cost if they were cartridges... $140 for a 128GB SDD vs $160 for a 1TB HDD.

A disc only costs like 3-5 cents to a publisher while a cartridge would be like $3-5. The difference is huge. Easily games would cost like $80-100 on a cartridge.

EddieNX 4868d ago

This article is a fail , How is the Wiiu using Last gen DVD technology ? It's using Panasonic Propietary Blu ray based 25GB single layer Optical discs and can Have 50GB discs and even go up to quad layered discs.

The wiiu's disc drive is faster than the PS3's also.

Last gen tech that is better than the ps3's blu ray drive ?

I know the Ps3 can have 25/50GB discs , But So can the wiiu and it has a faster reading speed, so by default it's better. The wiiu discs even look EXACTLY like a blu ray when you shine them in light. They're blue.

Only problem is the wiiu doesn't read blu ray films...

But yeh , BS article , the Wiiu's disc drive is better than Ps3's and way way way better than 360's and wii's.

Sanquine904868d ago

Jeeh the wii U has a better blue ray than a 6 year old console? Big suprise.. Sorry i do not want to troll.

doogiebear4863d ago (Edited 4863d ago )

Who cares what Wii U does. What will it matter when REAL next gen starts.

millzy1024868d ago

this article is bull shit, I stoped reading after he said Wii u uses DVD 9 which is not the case DVD 9 only goes up to 9 gig (dual layer) it uses proprietary disc format simalar to bluray at 25gigs, now i do have a Wii u but I'm not a nintedo fanboy as I have other consoles but if he can't get simple facts right then he hasn't got my time, he also says that DVD 9 is last gen tech then brings up flash storage which has been around for ages, so is that not last gen tech aswell. people are so stupid it annoys me.

ElectricKaibutsu4868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

Right? Where did he hear the Wii U uses DVD 9? I never even heard that as a rumor. It was always 25gb blu-ray based discs. Strange mistake...

Edit: Also, reading more into the article, the disc drive does not generate that much heat. It's the gpu, cpu, and ram you have to worry about.

Edit 2: About the article itself, I don't know exactly why consoles don't use cartridges now that their storage space has caught up with discs. I'm assuming it's cost. Printing a disc is very cheap. The DS and Vita uses discs because, as hand helds, load times and low power consumption are important and cartridges help alleviate both those problems. Also a handheld with a disc could be bad because moving a disc drive while a disc is spinning could damage the drive or disc, as people with the early model 360 can attest. I'm aware the original PSP used umds, I own one, but Sony has since made the switch to cartridges.

ApexHell4868d ago

yup wii u uses proprietry rounded edge 25GB discs based on blu-ray.

EddieNX 4868d ago

The wiiu can Read up to quad layer discs aswell 128GB or what ever that is. The ps3 can read a maximum of 50GB per disc.

AQnd yes , the Wiiu ofcourse can Have 50GB dual layered dics.

This article is misinformed and pathetic.

The wiiu's basically has Blu ray (without the films) and is significantly faster than the Ps3's Blu ray drive.

Fail article is fail , Spreading anti Nintendo BS as usual. Pathetic.

Sano644868d ago

I stopped reading when he said the disk lasers are what's causing the systems to over heat

chestnut11224868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

Despite With the crisis we are all experiencing today., All of them are overpriced., One of the main reason why some of the console and handheld's sales decreased, .,

Honest_gamer4868d ago

would be better if games where released on an SSD that just slotted into the machine :/ bye bye loading times

sway_z4868d ago

A return to cartridge based media or SSD and pay ridiculously high prices for games, like $70 - $100 per game?

.....No thanks!

This article > another completely pointless waste of net space.

ElectricKaibutsu4868d ago

I believe Star Fox 64 was $70 when I bought it at launch. Which is what, $100 in today's dollars? Good times...

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot12d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle12d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7712d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay13d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn214d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn213d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown13d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay13d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay13d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac13d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger14d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300013d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde13d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde13d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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FuRyu's Exstetra RPG Gets HD Remaster on Steam in English This Summer

FuRyu revealed on Friday its Exstetra fantasy role-playing game is getting an HD remaster that will launch this summer on Steam.

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