Max Level: "There is an epic battle that will soon ensue between the present and the future of gaming. It's going to be quite gruesome and one of them is going to walk out of 2013 as the most controversial and hyped parts of our beloved medium. Welcome to the new year, where AAA title buzz can be overshadowed by anticipation of next generation console hype."
Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.
When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.
This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.
This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.
I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet
I mean.... what?
We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.
You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.
Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.
They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.
If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.
It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie
Helix is going to be stupidly expensive
Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential
I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought
That's going to be ps6 vs Helix
While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.
It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs
Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.
Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.
The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.
Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.
Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.
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For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:
1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.
2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".
New report from Skillsearch found that 22% of those surveyed had been laid off within the past 12 months.
It's a step forward for Stop Killing Games.
The "old Gen" consoles still have life in them. Most people wont be able to afford the "Next Gen" consoles or their games, especially if they have First Day Season passes and First day DLC
$450 for the new system plus $75 for the game plus $50 season pass which doesn't cover the first 2 DLC's you have to get for you to even enjoy the game
I think people forget that consoles are priced considerably cheap. If you think about it a iPhone 5 16 gb without contract cost 700 dollars so if the next gen consoles come out with a price tag at 500 dollars I'd say its fair.
Why do some gamers loom plain about their homie? It seems to have become an ugly habit amongst some individuals who fail to understand that you simply get what you pay for. Companies could shorten console life cycles. The fundamental issue is that gamers are under a serious misconception on price. The pollution of casual gamers and a young core audience is putting undue strain on console manufacturers which is ultimately going to impact on the quality of next gen consoles. The debate about system ram has been raging for the last few months. Can you imagine Sony and MS reading these complaints from cheap gamers. I sold biscuits in the streets to afford a Mega CD as a kid. It boils my blood to read these nagging lazy gamers profess how they love games but refuse to pay for a feature packed future proof machine. The industry is severely impacted by the statements we make. Lets not impose a terrible problem of low powered consoles on ourselves. Take the time to think about it, the PS 1 came out at $300 dollars 18 years ago. How in your right mind do you expect us to pay the same amount right now. Inflationary pressures have obviously pushed up prices way up. An equal jump in next gen specs would require a $700 machine minimum. There are already rumors from Carmack and other industry insiders who are not impressed with the tech they have seen, although rumors allude to low prices. A word to console manufacturers. Pease position your products clearly, those who want cheap consoles should purchase Xbox 360s, wiis and ps3's. if my comments offend you, tough. The reality is your negative sentiment to the industry combined with industry analysts who spew negative garbage will eventually cause this sector to retard. I trust that those with negative views enforcing low cost tech will be pleased with the way the industry is going. I hope that the rumors are wrong and we get powerful hardware.