This is what I find the most frustrating, is that skepticism towards DMC is treated as people just disliking Dante's new look when in reality, everybody is much more worried about the quality of the gameplay and combat engine looking very sub par.

I couldn't care less what Dante looks like, I just want a deep and rewarding combat system that runs at a smooth framerate and is complimented by good AI. So far, everything that we've seen and played of this game indicates that Ninja Theory has completely failed to accomplish this task.

Of course, it will get brushed aside as people just disliking his haircut or something equally ridiculous and it's a shame. Oh well, hopefully if the game bombs commercially like Ninja Theory's previous releases, they'll get the message.

so we are the problem because we dont want to buy a game that has an inferior combat system compared to dmc 3 and 4?

news flash we want innovation but we dont want downgrades or an established series to become something its not, i always buy new or very interesting games i bought mirrors edge, prince of persia 08, bayonetta, madworld,vanquish, red dead redemptoion, beyond good and evil, psychonauts, psi-ops,ico, Batman Arkham Asylum, American Mcgees Alice, little big planet, etc.... before i buy the next god of war or assassins creed, EX: i skipped out on AC3 because im tired of the series, and im a huge AC fan, and i despise call of duty i havnt bought one since modern warfare 2.

ninja theory downgraded Devil May Cry, like seriously the game is easy as heck, and the combat isnt fluid at all, and then they completly changed the way the iconic character acts, turned him from a CRAZY wild party guy to an immature douche that curses and flips people off everyday, the game is more linear than the old DMC games, and its so easy to get a SSS rank, then they take away the lock on ability.

and as for the way dante looks, its not a big deal to me, seeing as how i like dark hair more than lighter hair, but regardless you do not completly change the way an iconic character thats been around for years appearance, im pretty sure if mario, link, masterchief or kratos were completly changed in appearance people would CRY about it, heck sonic fans are the worst offenders, sonic looks very similar to his old appearance, all they did was make him slimmer and gave him green eyes yet they CRY yet no one gets on them.

I never make these giant responses but im tired of misinformed people thinking that gamers are always whing especially when its a general complaint, the only whining i ever saw gamers commit was the whole ME3 ending fiasco, i mean come on its just an ending and its not like videogames havnt had crap ending befor, look at AC3, and the reason COD sells so much every year is mainly due to casuals who dont really game like the rest of us.

"This is the problem with gamers. They claim they want something different, innovative, but what they really want are games that are exactly the same with a different coat of paint. Ninja Theory tries to do something different, they get bashed by fanboys. "

I dont even get how that argument always get made .

Providing the same thing easier and too simplified is different indeed , but not the kind you guys imply when stating "people want changes" .

Taking devil may cry's core fighting and translating it into a open world game ( a bit like dogma somewhat do with a tiny few of the dmc moves )would have been different .

Or taking the usual formula but adding coop between (original) Dante and Vergil (or gasp nero) would have been different

Taking the approach of adding a massive amount of rpg element would have been different

And we could go on and on and on ...

Here what do we have ? The same concept with its core gameplay bastardised , slower with only the setting and redesign as a new element on the most generic engine that was available.

That's not different that's cheap , ill-intended and lazy . Had anyone taken cod and made it into some 30 fps uglier game in a sci fi halo rip off universe , everyone would be screaming bloody murder , instead of praising some "difference"

If i saw a guy walk in a club with a huge sword and two guns the last thing i would do is laugh at him, damm think i even might run.