I loved the original forza to death as well. I use to have a copy then my friend did something with it (bastard)

I loved Forza 1-3.. 4 was just too early I hadn't even completed Forza 3 completely before I was being asked to take another go. don't think they tried to make this like CoD but rather like Need for Speed. It was better when all they wanted to do was compete with Gran Tourismo. They beat GT at it's own game and decided lets beat Need for Speed too. That was a terrible mistake.

@2pacalypsenow

"lol And if Forza is so much better and gets much more publicity than GT5 then why does it sell way less?"

Really?? i was about to let you find out whats wrong with what you said there but apparently you are not too good at logics and facts, let me just put it this way, why BF3 is better than MW3 "Rating and Gameplay" but it sells way less than MW3 even when they did the same or even more publicity than MW3? and yes rating matter lol, your point is doesnt make sense and from where did you get the idea of Forza getting more publicity than GT5? even MCR was promoting it like crazy lol, GT was the first for everyone into race sims it will always sell more it really doesnt take a sherlock to notice that, i even had a PS3 getting dust just to play GT5.

GT5 was a flop they focus on content over quality overall sure 200 cars looks great but more than half of the game didnt in fact they look exactly like GT4 graphics, Forza is way better this gen Sim and Arcade, Horizon is an excellent choice for NFS fans, and yes i dont agree MS milking the serie but they are not doing a bad job they are improving the graphics every time and implementing new features, the only thing wrong with horizon is the lack of cars even tho they had more cars than any NFS but for a Forza game 120+ cars is just too little and you can setup your cars beside that its the best open world racing game i have played, This article is pointless i didnt even click it, it avoids the solid fact we just pass black friday and its christmas shopping weekend, last year i bought AC REV for $29.99 just days after it was released that just prove how pointless and stupid this article is...

Forza has been very well received by the critics and I think the drop in price is more due to the competition. Recent games like Dishonored, Xcom and a bunch others which received very high marks all received a huge price cut to $25 or lower.

You really have to compare it to their peers and not to zoom in on a specific game. The target market for racing games are way smaller than shooters so yes, it will be impacted more.

It's the holidays and gamesof all different genres are getting great deals.

Forza Horizon is $34.99 on Amazon.co right now.

to compare

Need for Speed: Most wanted which came out a week later is on sale for $29.99.

In fact, Forza Horizon limited edition is still over 70 dolars.

Forza horizon is an amazing game and is got a great reception from critics and fans.

The bottomline is you have another great franchise under the Turn 10 umbrella that has put out the best racing game of the year.

hopefully this is just a great start to what may be a long standing franchise alternating with the main Forza staple of games.

Evil

Maybe I should have just made a pro GT5 comment and it wouldn't have been marked for trolling.

Anyway the holiday shopping season and bundles will push Forza ahead. MS likes to bundle Forza games and they sell like crazy. Much like they did last year when they helped the 360 outsell the competition world wide.

I love this site...oh my god, you don't agree with me, he's a PS3 Fanboy, get away from me you filthy, mind-sucking, swine...

I got forza horizon for just $15 at walmart on black friday, I just noticed how no one really gave a shit about it..thinking about returning it now, are a lot of people playing the game or not really?

So now rating matters ? Wasn't there a big call to say that metacritic was stupid since some low score for Halo 4 got counted on metacritic but now it matters ?

No Rating do not matter and sale certainly don't matters either. You think i enjoy less BF3 because it sold less than MW3 or blops2 or that it has a lower rating than other game X ?

Gamer this Gen are going crazy. Sales , ratings and stock price ??? Really ?? How bout this , I plan on getting Forza horizon because it looks fun? I am waiting for the goty edition with all the dlc.

apples and oranges really, I like GT5 more because i find it be a better simulation, Forza may be the overall better game but , but GT5 is just simply a better simulator which i prefer it, to each his own tho

There goes the Gran Turismo KILLER! LOL! After all the hype and after Turn 10 running their mouths to bad mouth Polyphony Digital and Gran Turismo, they cant even lay a finger on Gran Turismo. That is what happens to copycat, wannabe and me too franchises. The same thing happened to Splinter Cell which was supposedly going to challenge Metal Gear Solid. When Microsoft entered the gaming industry they created a lot of copycat and wannabe franchises for each of Playstation's franchises. Fable is equal to Final Fantasy but flopped, Otogi was equal to Onimusha but flopped, Splinter Cell is equal to Metal Gear but flopped, Forza/Project Gotham was equal to Gran Turismo but flopped, There was also a fighting game equal to Tekken but flopped. None of those games were able to make a mark on the industry or become AAA and now are almost dead. Forza is the last remnant of Microsoft's copycat era. Microsoft has given up on other genres and first party studios now and just hang on to third party shooters for their sales. The have really dumbed down the industry to run and gun online.

I feel the same way, I really loved Forza 2 as well. When Forza 3 released I thought it was good, but was quite a small improvement over the second game, and Forza 4 was even less of an improvement which soured me on the franchise. It felt more like DLC packaged as a brand new game, which lead to me switching over to GT5 instead, which I've had a lot of fun with.

I gave the demo for Forza Horizon a whirl though, but that didn't really impress me either. I think that they should spend more time on Forza games really and work on adding a lot of new content and features. My friends and I have all given up on it thanks to each new game only being a very slight improvement and offering barely any new content. We just feel that it's a rip off to be honest, and doesn't justify the price tag when it offers so little.

How on planet earth is CalvinKlein trolling?
The worst thing is that if he had added, "I like GT, but" he'd be totally fine.

He's totally free to hate GT without being a troll for that reason. Not that he said he hated it.

Anyway, I do in fact like both Forza and GT, and I gotta say, Horizon looks and plays amazing. It really does set itself apart from 3 and 4 so I wouldn't call it milking just yet.

... but there's no way I'm EVER buying a Forza game at release for full-price, considering the DLC-milking they always do.

I loved the first Forza on my original Xbox. Forza 2 was more like Forza 1.5 HD (won the game in a competition), Forza 3 was also more of the same. Great game, but I waited for the 'Complete' release and picked that up new for under 10 bucks.

Haven't bothered with Forza cause there's no complete release for that, and by now I'm not even interested anymore.

And as I mentioned I liked the Forza Horizon demo, but I would never pick up the game as long as they're doing so much DLC-milking with it.

I don't buy incomplete games. I don't support greedy DLC-milking developers.

@ calvin @ allWrong;

Because:

rated better == is better

Like how FF XIII is rated higher on the 360 "in some places" than on the PS3.

Because it is truly better, right?

At any rate, the first Forza was in some ways a breath of fresh air compared to the GT series in terms of customization because the Forza devs seemed to have listened to the GT fans when they were asking Polyphony for customization and the guys at Poly didn't want to listen. Overall, I did like playing GT5 more and was the better simulation game, I thought Forza was a more fun game to play; especially if you like spending lots of time mixing lines and colors together to make a car you think looks nice.

One thing I didn't like about GT5 was they really needed to have the insides of every car, plus looking at the shadows of the cars from other perspectives, it seemed like they cut corners on that part or maybe lost some data and used 1st person data for the outside car views because of the pixels. Forza has pretty much smooth shadows that I can remember.

I dont know about tanking but I think most people who bought forza bought it because it was the GT equivalent for xbox360 and this isnt, its an arcade racer and it isnt made by Turn 10.Il give it a rent tho.That car selection is looking jizz worthy.

@ everybody saying forza is better than GT5 or vice versa.IMO forza is the better video game.But simulator wise it goes to GT5 and im asumming most people who buy these types of games prefer a good simulator over a good game.Reviews reviewed them as video games not simulators.Meaning easily accessible from the beginning, game modes etc. all which forza has more of.

@pixel
gt5 has dynamic shadows.Thats the reason gt5 HAD jaggy shadows back when it first came out.Now you can barely tell atleast compared to how bad they use to be.(Dynamic shadows because of the time progression. ) So no that wasnt the result of shortcuts.

@Dmarc:

I didn't say they did, I said it seemed as if they did.

:D

@medziarz I was just thinking the same thing. I have had all the Forza games and for me I think each one has got better and better each game. I also Love forza Horizon it is a nice change to the Forza game and I really like what PlayGround have done.

I have also had every GT game and I have to say for me GT5 is the worst out of them all but I don't blame PD for this I think Sony forced them to release it early and it has got better with the updates.

But If you look at the best selling games on the 360 and PS3 they are M-Rated and this is also part of the reason why we have not seen a lot of new IPs from MS over the past few ways as the ones they have had Alan Wake, Forza Horizon have been imo there games of the year in there gore but have not hit the sales of Forza, Halo and Gears.

Also games don't need to sell millions to be a success PG and MS will of had a target to try and reach to see if this game was a success as bringing a game out this time of year on the 360 is going to have a very hard time selling with COD BO and Halo 4 being out.

Its the same with Sony with LBP Karting and PS All stars.

I love forza games but the issue I have and this is not just forza or ms its the industry. The early adopters get screwed as they always get hit with full price and a few months after the dirt settles they release a cheaper version with all the added dlc content. I think if they do this they should update all the early adopters content they have not purchased to be on par with the complete version. Just my rant.

Since forza 2, the forza games had a diminutive upgrade over the other. I really would like to know how genuine its reviews were for it. gt5 got nit picked with staged videos and journalist admitting they only played 5-10% of the game? Racing sims fans are loyalist and if forza was truly the best "sim" it should easily make gran turismo sale figures.