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Is Xbox Live Dead?

"Sony may have been in the console race for longer than Microsoft has, but one thing is evident: Microsoft know how to create a strong online offering. They’ve been at it for the last ten years, who else could be doing a better job? Well, up until around a two years ago that may well have been the case, but now they’re no longer top dog when it comes to offering consumers value for money. For me, the tables began to turn on the Washington based giant thanks to the arrival of Sony’s PlayStation Plus."

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NukaCola4917d ago

Well the fact is, LIVE won't die if people play Xbox. You aren't afforded the right to play online for free with MS so you have to pay to enjoy all the features you get on PSN and WiiU for free, at a price dictated by MS. Plus Xbox and COD are one this gen and the kids need their COD and they pay to play.

I do have to say, since you get everything LIVE has for free with PSN, minus a couple technical features like chatting, PS+ is a baller service for anyone who can afford the $50 a year to be in the club.

ShadyDevil4917d ago

One thing that really grinds me is that you used to need XBL Gold to run Netflix and Hulu+ and Amazon. Not sure if you still do, which means if you don't have gold but have a sub for either one of those services you would need AN ADDITIONAL service on Xbox 360 just to stream. Not the case with PSN and their Playstation platforms.

darthv724917d ago

but what is disheartening to me is that netflix has really gone downhill since not reestablishing their deal with Starz.

Al i seem to see is all tv shows now on the new releases. A few newer movies but my interest in the service is really dropping.

I used to use my 360 for netflix streaming but I now use my lg bluray player. So that could be one reason for me to drop gold. Although i do enjoy some multiplayer now and then but not enough to keep the live...alive.

I just reupped my sub for another year. We will see how much i use it this year before I make my decision.

GrandTheftZamboni4917d ago

I don't care about free online gaming and sh*tload of free games with PS+. All I need is cross-game chat and Facebook app. Waa.. Waa...

/s

GuyManDude4917d ago

@darth

Do what I do: get Netflix for one month, watch everything there is to watch, cancel for two, resin for one, cancel for two.

$32/year, still get to watch everything.

BattleAxe4917d ago

Optional PS+ with lots and lots of free games and themes > Mandatory LIVE with no free games and maybe the odd free theme.

Play Beyond!
Make Believe!
Playstation!

Blacktric4917d ago

You also need to be a Gold member to be able to use some ingame services. For instance, you can't redeem SHIFT codes for Borderlands 2 if you don't have a Gold account.

saoco4917d ago

@ Blacktric,

what!!! that's just stupid. no, that's too far.

pixelsword4917d ago

Far from dead...

...far from cheap also.

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Elwenil4917d ago

I'm as big of a Sony fan as anyone but taking a look at all the people on Xbox Live playing games, there is no way I could ever claim it was "dead". I may not agree with why people pay for Live, but I can't deny that there are a lot of people on it. With all those people, I don't see how anyone could say it's dead.

BattleTorn4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

Roughly about eqaul numbers play on XboxLive vs PSN, no?

At least the online-activity for more AAA games are equal, if not sometimes more (see:COD), on Xbox Live.

caseh4917d ago

@Elwenil

Agreed, all the times i've heard 'x is dead' or 'x is dying' yet you will find online communities for nearly any game that has ever had one still in effect.

MSG4 (MGO) is a good example of a game thats apparently dead, logged in the other day for a blast. 4 Years on and I still had no problems getting a game.

I don't even own an Xbox and i'm not naive enough to believe LIVE is dying, its quite a laughable statement really.

Staircase4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

@caseh

Considering the Metal Gear Online servers closed in June, I really doubt that.

CandyCaptain4917d ago

@caseh It's dead now, as they patched it out of the game. At least we got trophies out of that. <.<'

caseh4917d ago

@Staircase

I may have exagerated when I said the other day but people were saying it was dead within the first year.

4 years later and it still had an active community right up to the point where the servers closed.

JellyJelly4917d ago

@BattleTorn - Sony do not release numbers on their PSN activity. If you have a source for it please share. All they release is their total number of users, which include PSP, Vita and PC users, as well as multiple accounts.

From what I've read it seems much harder finding people to play with on PSN, sometimes even when it comes to exclusive games. That's something you rarely experience on Xbox Live.

MaxXAttaxX4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

Those are very high numbers on both consoles.
BOTH communities are large.

No one is saying that it's literally "dead".

andibandit4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

At the moment the Communities are fairly equal in COD on both systems, with the xbox having around 700k online users at peak hours and the PS3 having around 600k.
I expect the Xbox community to distance itself further since alot of people like me, spent their money on Halo 4 this month and are dying to try out BO2 when i get some money between my hands next month. That and the fact the PS3 Version is to say it mildly, temporarily Fu... Up.

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BattleTorn4917d ago

"minus a couple technical features like chatting,"

I nearly split my gut. LMAO.

""minus a couple technical features" ... "like chatting"

BAHAHAHA. Do you know how much I am in a Party-Chat? More than I game! (cause I enter one before I launch a game, or remain in one while changing games)

If I wanted to talk to a friend, who was in-game, on PSN - I'd have to call him!

calis4917d ago

wow...really. You'd have to call him? With, like, a real phone?

HammadTheBeast4917d ago

I can pay $50 for a Skype plan, or use it for free. What's your point?

Shepherd 2144917d ago

Last night me, playing Halo 4, and two other good friends playing Zone of the Enders HD and Madden 13 were all in a party chat talking about how badass Skyfall was and other things for hours. Me being in my mid 20s now and with the few friends anymore that I rarely get to see, Party Chat is pretty crucial for me. You can't do what I just described on PS3, we would all have to compromise on heading to Home or all 3 or 4 of us to be in the same game, which gets annoying at times. Sometimes I just feel like relaxing and not playing anything while I chat while everyone else bitches at black ops 2 and talks to me simultaneously.

Not saying PSN+ is inferior, but there are plenty here that mock Party chat and say it's not that great. To me and hundreds of thousands of others, it is. That's all I want to point out.

HSx94917d ago

Seriously, I use Party Chat so much it's like second nature. It's a pretty big feature if you ask me.

Elwenil4917d ago

@Shepherd214,

Honestly, that sounds like a nightmare to me. My background is mostly PC gaming and we use Teamspeak or Ventrilo which allows anyone to be doing anything while in chat but it always drove me nuts having someone not in the game or in a different game on comms. The idea that half my team can be in a chat with people talking about god knows what instead of coordinating in the game is something I want no part of and many clans I have seen have similar rules.

Army_of_Darkness4917d ago

Using a real phone is sooooo 90's:-) lol!

DarthJay4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

People claiming that a phone is the answer don't get the point. Party chat is amazing, and if it ever comes to PS4, I guarantee you will all wonder how you ever gamed without it and guaranteed be the first singing the praises.

kreate4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

@darthjay

That's Cuz some ppl actually do want it while the rest of the gamers would be happy Cuz its a single blow to shut the mouth or fingers of the Xbox fanboys claiming a cross game chatting feature is worth the money.

Ps3 has cross game chat. Its text activated while Xbox live is voice activated.

Wtf? Psn has cross game chat? I must be nuts huh?

EDIT: if its just "party chat" ps3 has it in the form of both text and voice up to 16 ppl.

MaxXAttaxX4917d ago

Seriously, you guys are trying too hard.

PS Vita offers Party-chat for free. Up next PS4.

It's time to stop claiming that party-chat is worth $60 every year.

MRMagoo1234917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

The last thing i want when trying to strategise with a team is other ppl in chat talking about a tv show they watched last night or the game they are playing, trying to say that is a good idea is beyond a joke.

Also whats up with everyone saying the games are on loan i have 4 games from ps+ and i only got them during the free time they gave me to try it and the games still work months on ??

pixelsword4916d ago

Some people say using a phone is no bother.

Other people say getting up to change a disc is no bother.

Different Strokes for different folks.

Gaming_Guru4916d ago

The PlayStation 3 does have cross game game, but it's in a text message format up to 16 people with three chat room up at once, making that 48 people at once.

To be honest I don't really use cross game chat especially playing online because it defeats the purpose. I think it's an overly hyped feature, like backwards compatibility, the majority will most likely not use it. Microsoft even removed that feature for Netflix without any complaints.

MysticStrummer4916d ago

I honestly wouldn't use cross game chat. I ignore psn text messages and my phone when I game. For single player stuff I want to be immersed in the world as much as possible. For multiplayer I want to talk about the same game to people who are playing the same game. If I want to "chat" I get in a party chat outside a game, but otherwise my mic is used for strategy and the occasional trash talking when I'm doing well.

OT - Hell no XBL isn't dead. That's just stupid. Yet another classic N4G headline that's designed to get hits. I wish people would do what I do and refuse to play along with this crap. If it didn't work to get hits it would go away or at least become much less frequent.

Shepherd 2144916d ago

Elwenil

Okay? Maybe it's a nightmare for you but it's a blessing for me.

It's the games fault if they don't require you to exit party chat to talk to teammates. CS GO requires you exit party chat to play, so does Dark Souls and certain COD playlists. If people wanna stay in party chat and not talk to you in game then they aren't as serious about the match as you anyway and it never mattered to begin with.

You don't need to communicate while playing single player madden or FFA halo 4 anyway so why not join a party chat with someone dicking around in AC3 and talk about how michael bay is F-ing up TMNT?

cooperdnizzle4916d ago

Cool story man. The main thing is most people who are gamers are in fact gamers, they don't want to chat like a little girl on a phone , they want to play there game end of story. gaming is about gaming, get a phone..

BitbyDeath4916d ago

@Sherperd, i can see where your coming from, i personally wouldn't use it but can understand why others would.

The bigger question is if PSN get it free on PS4 (as Vita has it now) then don't you think MS should stop charging?

Also if Sony can offer it for free then don't you think MS should not be charging right now as well?

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

I hope sony does big things with gaikai.

They are using their new moneys to support it.
http://www.egmnow.com/artic...

Next gen I will be a psn & still be a steam user. great times.

MS is the closest to being like apple out of the three companies. imo.

Hell they compete with apple also.

lol I wish steam tried to charge for multi-player. lol it would have one user per day, 80 petitions and would get hacked in the same day.

Xbox users are a weird bunch.

aquamala4917d ago

Cloud saves are not free on psn

nukeitall4917d ago

Everybody keeps telling me how PSN is sooo much better, yet it is so much harder to schedule a game with my friends. Especially friends I don't communicate with outside of the online gaming community.

How the heck does PSN people schedule a game?

On XBL, I jump in to the party and when a spot opens up or my friends finish a game, they let me know and I jump in. That makes online gaming with friends sooo much easier.

Can't do that on PSN, so I think most people on par feature wise while PSN gives better value really doesn't use XBL for online gaming *with* their friends.

Nitrowolf24917d ago

"On XBL, I jump in to the party and when a spot opens up or my friends finish a game, they let me know and I jump in. That makes online gaming with friends sooo much easier."

Is that like a feature??
IDK , don't own Xox but I typically just PM them or invite them to a group chat (works in-game).

insomnium24917d ago

LOL you said "jump in" twice.

MRMagoo1234917d ago

i find it very easy to get friends together on the ps3 , if you think its a challenge maybe you should stick to the xbox lol.

MysticStrummer4916d ago

On PSN your friends can let you know when a spot opens with a text, so what you described can in fact be done on PSN.

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ALLWRONG4917d ago

But you don't get all the same features on PSN.

JimmyDanger4917d ago

One thing people never seem to mention about LIVE is that (with the exception of older EA games because they insist on running their own servers) - any game for 360 I've bought - I can play online, regardless of age.

If I pick up any random old launch title - and I have a friend who has it too, and we want to play online together - no worries. A game of ChromeHounds anyone (a 3rd party game that came out 6 years ago)? Not a problem. A game of Motorstorm Pacific Rift (a 1st party game that came out 4 years ago) - out of luck, grab a black texta and cross that "online multiplayer" checkpoint off the back of the case.

That's another network maintenance/infrastructure thing that makes the $5 a month worth it to me. And as someone with widely varied taste in games, who is prone to nostalgia on occassion - it suits me.

Not to say PS+ isn't a great service - just putting it out there.

DragonKnight4916d ago

That's probably a case of P2P servers vs Dedicated servers. It's a known fact that Live games typically use P2P more than Dedicated and vice versa for PSN. I don't know, I'd rather have the less lag and better stability myself.

killerhog4916d ago

Hey you wanna play phantasy star universe? Oh... The servers were shut down. Guess ill play resistance: fall of man (a game that came out 6 years ago).

Also, last time I checked, Ms didn't have many genres the ps3 does. Compete with LBP? Nope. Compete with god of war? Nope. Compete with mod nation racers? Nope. So you must have a very small diverse taste in games. Or do you mean you have a widely varied taste in shooters? Cause that's was sells the most and releases the most on the 360.

Also, a lot of the old classic games from the past, can also be bought on the ps3. Yeah Xbox has some exclusive oldies, but so does the ps3.

So to end this, I'm not saying the 360/XBL is a bad service, but just putting it out there.

JimmyDanger4916d ago

@killerhog

I've got kart racers and platformers. Those genres aren't exclusive to Sony man.

I believe Sony has more first party shooters than MS anyway this gen.

NeverEnding19894917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

I think PS+ is a great service and is forcing Microsoft to step their game up next gen.

That being said, online gaming isn't the same without party chat. I went almost a year without a PS3 (it broke, wasn't paying $150 to fix it). It was only after I returned to PSN that I realized how critical Live is to any multiplayer .

Let me give this example. I don't have facebook, I use Live as a social networking tool. I was playing through Fallout: NV a few months back for the 2nd time and spent nearly 2hrs one night playing and catching up with a friend from high school who now lives 9 hours away. I had laready played through the game and didn't need to pay attention to listen to every conversation. I could NEVER picture myself doing this over PSN, where it seems like SONY forces you to stay away from multiplayer.

PS+ is better in terms of value, but Xbox Live is far and away the better service.

ATi_Elite4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

Blah hah ha hha hah ha ha funniest thing I heard all year!!!!

Xbox Live is FREE MONEY for Microsoft! It will NEVER DIE!!!

.......and guess what? Next Gen You Sony Lovers will have to pay a Fee too just to play online!

Sony is losing money from it's other business ventures and watching MS make all that FREE Money from Xbox Live has got to have Sony Execs scratching their heads!

Even with the Fee Xbox Gamers were online more than PS3 owners! Xbox Live = FREE Money for MS!

SamPao4917d ago

If you think Sony's going to charge next gen you must be out of your mind.
The vita is out, it has crossgamechat, guess how much you have to pay... Zero.

MasterCornholio4917d ago

And for one subscription we have access to plus on 2 platforms.

The other day I downloaded Chronosphere and Uncharted on my Vita. Plus ever since I got plus I have a collection of over 10 PS3 games for free.

Xbox live might be better in some aspects but plus provides a lot more value with the extra content. Like Kaz said PlayStation plus was created with the gamers in mind.

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killerhog4916d ago

Yeah, I wouldn't say there's more people playing online on the 360, as majority only play shooters on the 360. You have to include games of other genres that sell more and have a bigger community on the ps3. Examples would be grand turismo (racing), tekken (fighting), mmo's (ms xbox 360 doesn't have any), create play and share (Ms doesn't have any), you get the point?

Sony is also making free money of off Ps Home, but you blind individuals declare that "dead" then add in Ps+ etc..

shempo4916d ago

die or not fact is ps+ is way better than live for the last 2years get over it

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Anon19744916d ago

Ridiculous title. Of course XBL isn't "dead". If anything, it's thriving and guess what? It can do that even if a competitor also offers a similar service. Imagine that. Two products co-existing without one killing off the other. Who knew?

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ShadyDevil4917d ago

Although I do agree slightly, because PSN+ is a better service, it is a service though. You essentially REQUIRE XBOX LIVE to properly run your 360. However it does give back with their recently booming REWARDS program. Granted it doesnt give full $60, $40, $20 stuff for free like PSN+ does...or massive discounts but it still gives slight amounts back.

Although PSN+ is a superior service than XBL (Gold) I wouldnt say XBL is dead since the fanbase is still astronomical.

GillHarrison4917d ago

I love PSN+, but I still perfer Xbox Live only because of the party system.

WetN00dle694917d ago

And the a stable connection AND No Maintenance!
Just those two features alone make it XBL>SEN.

DragonKnight4916d ago

"And the a stable connection AND No Maintenance!
Just those two features alone make it XBL>SEN."

What? You can't be serious. I think you forgot the /s when you said "stable connection" and "no maintenance."

Yeah, that must be it.

NYC_Gamer4917d ago

How is it dead?millions of gamers are paid members.

ShadyDevil4917d ago (Edited 4917d ago )

It was a metaphorical title..read the article. It compares Xbox Live and Xbox Live Gold to PSN+ what they offer and such. PSN+ is a better service in the end as it straight up gives free games. for $60, you get your moneys worth ($60 a year) in the first month. Not to mention discounts, betas, first dibs on demos and certain releases and Day 1 Digital. Oh and cloud save storage (which is also offered on Xbox Live Gold)

NYC_Gamer4917d ago

100% agree,PSN+ is the better service value wise because of all the discounts and games they pass out to members...

Ben_Grimm4917d ago

PSN+ has Live beat when it comes to offering games. But everything else you mentioned like demos (which is standard), discounts and digital DL's are offered the same on Live.

SonyStyled4917d ago

i think PS+ is $50 a year, $17.99 for 3 months

FunAndGun4917d ago

It is Playstation Plus

PS+

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There is no Playstation Network Plus

There is no PSN+

Summons754917d ago

Psn+ dose not give free games. Stop paying for the subscription and see how "free" they truly are.

Not saying either is better I refuse to pay for both but ps+ is a bunch of false advertisement.

Supreme Entity4917d ago

"Psn+ dose not give free games. Stop paying for the subscription and see how "free" they truly are.

Not saying either is better I refuse to pay for both but ps+ is a bunch of false advertisement."

Yeah, stop paying for the Xbox Live Subscription and see how fast your multiplayer gets taken away for the game you rightfully PAID for. I've been with Xbox for 7 years, but I woke the **** up and got tired of paying for access to my multiplayer games that I paid full price for.

You don't understand that there are a lot of naive people out there, not just hardcore gamers that don't know any better, and purchase the Xbox thinking they get Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc once they unpack the system and set it up. Then they get pissed off when they see they have to pay another fee to access all of that when they're already have a subscription to each service.

CraigandDayDay4917d ago

But that's just like how when you stop paying for Netflix, you don't get to keep watching videos on it.

LOL

Or maybe stop paying for your cable or satellite. I bet you can't watch your tv shows anymore. I bet ya. haha

SixZeroFour4917d ago

@supremeentity not fully disagreeing with you but multiplayer isnt taken away from you if you stop paying for gold subscription, ONLINE multiplayer is, you are still technically still able to play splitscreen and via lan party (i think, havent done that since halo 2)

Roccetarius4917d ago

You mean games that you don't get to keep if you unsub? Same thing happens on Live, you lose the features.

Gotta love these ''service wars''.

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NastyLeftHook04917d ago

how to make a article on n4g? just ask a question and make the title controversial and or/stupid.

what is going to be the goty?
is far cry really good?
is ps3 dead?
is psn dead? is this or that dead?
why this sucks
why so and so in the gaming industry is stupid.
ect
ect

but then again you get your reviews all in one convenient place here on n4g amongst all of (imo) the bs around here.

Starfox8114917d ago

The title did its job of hooking you in though. Give the article a read before you judge. Well made points.

NastyLeftHook04917d ago

it may have hooked me but it did not catch me.

-1 for this site.

linkratos4916d ago

It probably only hooked in people who dislike Xbox. If the title was used for something Sony related in a similar way people would be losing their shit. I have seen this happen many times.

aviator1894917d ago

I understand the article and gave it a good read and there are some valid points, but another title should have been used, imo.

Maybe something like: "psn+ extends reach and appeal over former crowned opponent live." - something like that but shorter..

mcstorm4917d ago

I agree too. But xbox live is far from dead as it offers things psn dose not offer and the xbox was made around live not the other way round like psn.

Also i find live a better online experience than psn. Yes paying £40 a year for free rent of games is a good idea but for me this dont work as i buy games i want on day one.

We are all different and have different needs. For me live fits my needs better than psn so thats the one i pay for.

I do expect ms to change live alittle when the next xbox comes along but i also expect sony to change psn next gen to.

SonyStyled4917d ago

PS+ offers launch day free releases. ratchet and clank all 4 one for example...

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio9d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing9d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster929d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit9d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing9d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster929d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted12d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8512d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele11d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk11d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay11d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10112d ago (Edited 12d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit11d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg11d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10111d ago (Edited 11d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14912d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay11d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn212d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn211d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown12d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay11d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay11d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac11d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger12d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300012d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde12d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde11d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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