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Xbox 720 coming at E3 2013?

E3's website looks it could have next-generation written all over it. Which console will it be showing off is the main question. What do you think?

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Double_Oh_Snap4955d ago

This has been widely assumed for almost a year now. My personal opinion... yup.

Anon19744955d ago

I think yesterday's financial report from Microsoft outed it. We know they've been working on the next Xbox for some time now, but you can tell when things are getting serious when you see the sudden spike in spending on research and development. We hadn't seen this increase yet, until yesterday when it was revealed R&D spending in the Xbox division exploded.

Based on the time frame we saw last time this happened with the 360 (if that's anything to go by) we can expect to see the new Xbox at E3, shipping in time for holiday 2013.

Now, unless Sony reveals an increase in their R&D spending as well in their report due out in a few weeks, I think it's safe to assume Microsoft will beat the PS4 to market. Of course that could be good or bad. We know what happened when a more powerful yet more expensive Xbox went up against the PS2, and by next year we can almost be assured the PS3, which hasn't been experiencing the dramatic declines the 360 and Wii have seen, will have received a price cut making it pretty damn attractive as an all around media player/powerful game console.

Developers have already cautioned not to expect a huge leap in visuals next gen, so for the general public, what will the new Xbox do that the old Xbox/PS3 can't? The differences will have to be pretty pronounced to win over the average consumer assuming it'll be priced in the $300-$400 range. For sure the early adopters and core will be interested, but it'll be interesting to say the least.

KMCROC4955d ago

I have already been won over ,now i just wait.

Shaman4955d ago

PS4 will be released next year and shown before E3 just like Next Box. Count on that.

jimbobwahey4955d ago

I just hope that both the next Xbox and PS4 are backwards compatible. If I can't play my favourite games from the 360/PS3 on the new consoles, that will really discourage me from upgrading.

I've no intention of having two PlayStations or two Xboxes under my TV, and because consoles always have a severe lack of games during their first year anyways, backwards compatibility would help considerably with this.

StreetsofRage4954d ago

OOOOOOOOOOOH Darkride...you aaaaaaalmost made a nice comment without your typical 360 bashing. So close!

portal_24954d ago

@Darkride66 Actually Sony starting spending on R+D for the PS3 successor in mid 2011;

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

If anything, Sony are a year ahead of Microsoft - although that's not to say they will release first.

Abdou234954d ago

@jimbobwahey "I've no intention of having two PlayStations or two Xboxes under my TV"
i think any sane person will just keep his Ps3/360 along with the new console if you really want to keep playing old games.

CraigandDayDay4954d ago

I hope both the PS4 and the 720 come out so that we can see how they fare against each other when they release at the same time. I hope the PS4 is $350 or $400 for the cheap model. Would be a nice entry price that would keep them competitive. I'm sure the 360 will be slightly cheaper as MS will want to keep their price advantage. Either way, i want to see them both next year. :)

trancefreak4954d ago

I am just ready for a new console experience already.
But I am kind of glad that these consoles are releasing a little later than earlier. With technology changing so fast I would like to have a machine that will be cutting edge but not overpriced.
By the time they are released I believe we will have a substantial increase of performance and capabilities to satisfy the next console tenure.

geth1gh4954d ago

Here is my response to the title...

No shit.

portal_24954d ago (Edited 4954d ago )

@ darkride66 - Understand, Sony have spent a lot on R&D since 2011 and possibly earlier (2011 being the most noticeable spend).

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ALLWRONG4954d ago

I don't know if MS would announce at E3. My guess is they will use MTV again.

wastedcells4954d ago

Ya or spike... Something casual like that.

FarCryLover1824954d ago

Probably FX and get Elijah Wood again like they did for MTV. Elijah Wood will also be able to advertise his FX show.

StrongMan4955d ago (Edited 4955d ago )

I just hope they don't bring over their current Kinect obsession and abandon the hardcore again. Casuals won't spend $400 on a new console. This is the problem the WiiU will run into.

Double_Oh_Snap4955d ago

If Kinect or some other useless gimmick is the focus, then they are not getting a dollar from me. I wan't a powerful system with lots of games for gamers not fitness freaks or kids an elderly.

Sure that may sound biased too some and it is but I don't care I'm tired of the new MS. I enjoy there exclusives a lot but they need more imo especially new ip's.

If even half there funding of BS like Kinect went to studio development. We probably would not even be mentioning these dumb things.

Shadonic4955d ago

well if this is true wouldent it make sience for them not to really announce any new IP on this gens consoles so that they can instead pave the way for the next xbox. I belive that they should still support kinect but make hardcore non kinect games their main focus. I was hopeing that they would just pass thekinect stuff over to indie developers on the interwebs while haveing a few releases for it throughout the year.

RuleNumber54955d ago

My goodness, I simply cannot emphasize enough how obvious Microsoft's need for the next Xbox is. Did you all see Microsoft's last quarter? Good lord the Xbox 360 saw a drop of over $418 million in revenue. I don't care what Xbox Live did. The obvious need of the Xbox 720 is so gigantic that when Microsoft announces it, it's not going to be a surprise. My reaction will be, "no shit, what took you so long." Don't get me wrong, I'm excited for it, but could they have milked this current generation any longer? This generation's life-blood is as dry as the Mojave desert. The games that are coming out are great, but the system is long past its expiration date. There are so many innovations and changes waiting to be a part of the next-generation of systems that it's ridiculous.

But again, don't get me wrong, I'm very excited for what's next. But really, could they wait any longer?

bubblebeam4954d ago

I think it most probably will. If not, then it means they are making sure the console is REALLY ready this time, as devs have had the dev kits for over a year now.

I think the PS4 MIGHT be announced as well. If MS do what they did in 2005, that means Nextbox in late 2013, and Sony might wait a bit and release 2014.

I'm going to wait on a purchase, as I want to see who has more on offer (*strokes chin......I wonder who......)

blue_cheese4955d ago (Edited 4955d ago )

its seems about that time, iv'e had an Xbox360 since 2005, its now 2012 going on 2013, an 8 year run is a good life span for a console. i'm not really asking for a next generation console right now, just because i still have a list of games i would like to play from 2012 continuing into 2013. i wont mind an upgrade as long as the next xbox allows backwards compatibility, so i can still finish up my list of games but on a newer console while trying out next gen games as well. hopefully they've really heard some of the criticism from us xbox owners and fixed some things as far a sxbox live goes for the next xbox.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn217d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn216d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac16d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger16d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde16d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7518d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_15d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.