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The Lawless Retrospective: Killzone

With the HD trilogy edition of Killzone set to release next month, OnlySP takes a look at the each entry in the series to gauge whether it might be a worthwhile purchase for anyone that hasn't played them all before.

Cajun Chicken4994d ago

I found the third game excellent, finally found that balance of fun.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4994d ago

Best looking console shooter I have ever seen! Kz4 on ps4? mind blowing..

LOGICWINS4994d ago (Edited 4994d ago )

Considering that KZ3 sold less than KZ2 during the same time period, we'd be lucky if KZ4 came out for ANY PS console, much less the PS4. A PS3 release would make more sense since it would be less of a risk for Sony if the game tanks.

KZ2 took $40-50 million to make on the PS3. Imagine how much KZ4 on the PS4 would take to make. You think Sony will risk that much money on a franchise with a dwindling community?

I'd rather GG continue to develop for a console that they have six years of experience with as opposed to a rush job which sets KZ4 as a PS4 launch title...just for the sake of having a well known shooter as a launch title.

Outside_ofthe_Box4994d ago (Edited 4994d ago )

Killzone 3 is a joke compared to KZ2 in my opinion. There is a reason why GG fired the lead MP designer for KZ3 and brought back the lead MP designer from KZ2. KZ3 wasn't balanced at all unless you consider a supposed sniper class(which apparently is able to wield an ASSAULT RILE of all weapons) being undetectable by radar AND eye sight as balanced.

KZ3 was a wreck due to all the CoD players complaining about KZ2's realistic weighty controls, not being able to read server lists, and how the game is too 'hardcore' lol. Now GG 'dumbed-down' KZ3 and all the complainers didn't even buy the game. Hell, I knew I wouldn't like the game and I still bought it and that's something I never do. It really shows who Developers should really be listening to.

I really hope KZ4 goes back to the roots of KILLZONE.

LOGICWINS4993d ago

I'd argue that the single player in KZ3 was MUCH better than KZ2's.

And although KZ2 had a better overall MP experience with skill based gameplay and deep clan support, KZ3 introduced some nice ideas like brutal melees and the use of mechs.

rezzah4993d ago

I agree with logic on this point.

KZ2 great SP and MP

KZ3 Better SP worst MP

Knight_Crawler4993d ago (Edited 4993d ago )

Killzone is a great franchise but this argument right here proves my point that KZ3 split up the KZ community.

Thats the reason why KZ will never get the recognition it deserves because the developers are always trying to please everyone and change things up for the worst.

As much as people bag on Halo for being the same year after year, you got to give Halo credit for maintaining a balance of happiness in the community and Halo 4 looks like its following tradition because Halo fans are happy.

Killzone is great and if the developers would just keep there ground and not fold to fans complaints it can become huge.

Before you disagree, I was not saying that Halo is better than KZ...I was just saying that KZ needs to stick to one formula instead of changing it after every game.

Outside_ofthe_Box4993d ago (Edited 4993d ago )

I bought KZ3 for the SP, the only reason why I'd buy a game I know don't like based off the beta.

I enjoyed KZ3's sp more, but it was too easy. I was able to beat the game in 5 hours on the veteran difficulty.

What i don't like about brutal melee is that it's one hit kill. Now we have people running through bullets to instant kill melee people and surprise close encounters ends up being a "who can press the melee button first" scenario. I'd rather brutal melee require two hits to activate if the opponent has 100% health. Only time I think brutal melee should be a one hit kill is if you do it from behind or your opponent is under 50-60% health.

I've always wondered why mechs weren't used in KZ2, but now I know why. It kills the balance. I don't mind exos and jets packs being in the games. It's just that they just have to make it balanced which is extremely difficult to do. I don't really have my own solution on how to balance them out. I'd rather GG make a new objective that requires the uses of exos and jets to complete and they are only available during that specific objective. That's the only way I can see mechs not killing the balance of the game entirely.

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@ Knight_Crawler

Actually agree with you some what in regards to Halo. Halo 3 is actually the second most balanced game this gen behind KZ2 in my opinion. Balanced games are hard to come by these days.

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SonyStyled4994d ago

although i liked part 3 as well, killzone 3 removed alot of things that made kz2 so great. thanks to all the requests from the gamers who played killzone 2, and judging by the sales of kz3, never came back for part 3. a shame really

vividi4994d ago

I love killzone series, part 2 is my favorite but I also love part 3, waiting for killzone HD

Eyeco4994d ago

I'll give my honest unbiased assessment of the Killzone series.

Killzone 1- decent game held back because of the PS2 hardware, and overwhelming hype

Killzone 2- A solid shooter, was blown away by the visuals when I saw it, never saw anything like it, Multiplayer was great to had allot of fun with it.
The Problem is the game didnt really go as far as it needed to be a classic shooter. Also the game didn't know whether it was an arcade shooter or a tactical shooter, it shoudld have opted for the latter.

Killzone 3- A big dissapointment in my opinion a game with zero ambition, it tried to be like COD , fair enough but why didnt it go all the way, why do COD games offer more features modes and maps, why include 3d and move support a feature most ps3 owners don't have yet not include a much needed feature like online co-op ? wtf if anyone wants to no more about why i dislike this game PM me i'll write you a book.

Overall the Killzone franchise is a decent yet forgettable gaming series , Killzone 2 was the shining star but this is mainly due to the MASSIVE support that game received with a budget of 45 million dollars its one of the most expensive games ever made. I personally think the problem is with the developer, if not for the gargantuan support received by sony's gaming division, the series would have been swept in to obscurity, yes imo GG is an overrated dev.

MySwordIsHeavenly4993d ago

It tried to be like Call of Duty?

Really?

No.

The 3D and Move features were excellent, by the way.

Eyeco4993d ago

yes it did try to be like COD everything from the controls to the story campaign remember the Stealth missions doesn't that remind you of the missions in COD when you would follow Captain price ? it was a laughably shameless clone.

And about the Move and 3D options, i NEVER said they were bad i just said it was stupid to include them if MOST PS3 owners don't have them yet exclude something like online co-op something that the game was screaming for. How can anyone argue against that ? i mean split screen co-op is all they could give us in 2011 thats pathetic. Killzone 3 was a barebone package in the FPS department.

Killzone 3 was a completley forgettable shooter, that only gets mention because of delusional single minded fanboys.

fOrlOnhOpe574994d ago

Im expecting great things from :this HD upgrade. Killzone 1 had a good story, characters and weapon sounds and reload animations.
Along with the bots in Battlefields, I think that any Kz fan who hasn't yet played it is in for a pleasant suprise.

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Helldivers 2 sparked renewed interest in Killzone. Do we deserve it?

Now, with most games these days, live service included, comes the inclusion of microtransactions. In Helldiver 2's case, these come in the form of Warbonds and the superstore. Some of them were a hit, others were a miss. But one of the superstore items that have sparked interest is the Killzone set. While this is nice, this would have much better served as a warbond. Putting it in the superstore comes off as greedy, but that's an issue for another video. More to the point, the Killzone franchise fanbase had taken note, and it sparked renewed interest in wanting the series to be revived.

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lodossrage422d ago

lol well, as fans we'd naturally say that (yes myself included).

But given some of the complaints the series garnered over the years when it was available is why we asked it it was deserved

RaiderNation422d ago

I think it does. A complete reboot would be ideal with a better story and main protagonist. I love the asthetic of the Killzone universe, along with the premise of Earth warring with another planet of humanoid beings, and Earth possibly being the antagonists. They just need to develop a good main protagonist and have better writing. A Killzone reboot in the latest version of the Decima engine would be incredible.

Abear21422d ago

If it makes dollars it makes sense, that’s how these decisions are made.

Clearly Sony or whoever makes this decision isn’t convinced Killzone would sell enough to support the cost of development. They also have a hit with Horizon that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and prints money.

JunonZanon422d ago

A trilogy remaster with KZ2 MP would be a good start

Cacabunga421d ago

With Move and sharpshooter support? I can dream!

lodossrage421d ago

considering the time we live in, it would more than likely get a VR option to replace the move support

Jingsing422d ago

Not unless they come up with some amazing marketing campaign otherwise it will just perform as bad as Halo these days.

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Killzone composer would love a remaster trilogy, “don’t know if a new game” would be successful

Killzone and Horizon Zero Dawn composer Joris de Man would like PlayStation to make a remaster trilogy, but not a new game.

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_SilverHawk_428d ago

Id like a remaster trilogy and the ps vita version remastered as well. It should also have killzone 2 multiplayer

Cacabunga427d ago

Yes make them start with KZ2 multiplayer remake as standalone!! I would play the carp out of it.

INMATEofARKHAM427d ago

Knowing Sony and how the Uncharted remasters shipped without their MP components they'll likely do the same with Killzone.

Outside_ofthe_Box427d ago

Then there's no point in remastering it imo. KZ2's MP was the best thing about Killzone.

Knightofelemia427d ago

I'd day one a remaster trilogy I'd even day one a remaster trilogy or Resistance as well.

GamingManiac425d ago

Same! But with KZ2 and R2 multiplayer!

JEECE427d ago

I'm glad they stopped making Killzone before people started saying "mid," so I am spared seeing all the braindead "Killzone is actually mid" takes that people inevitably would have offered up in lieu of legitimate analysis.

INMATEofARKHAM427d ago

They were mid, tbh. Just the best Sony put out in the 1st person/exclusive department.

RedDeadLB427d ago

I don't know about that. They weren't the greatest shooters out there, sure, but nothing even came close to the atmosphere of 2 and 3. The feeling of weight, the animations, the style, the multiplayer and the trophies made it one hell of a game. All shooters are in essence point and shoot, but few make you feel the way Killzone made you feel while doing it.

senorfartcushion427d ago

They will cast a woman on one of the lead roles, just like how they did it in the past, but toda's nerds will find an excuse to be angry about it.

ibrake4naps427d ago

It should be a crime that they didn't put out a version of part 2 that supports their VR headset. A no-brainer...

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Horizon's MMO Appears to Have Been Cancelled

Push Square writes: "Following a round of layoffs in October last year, a new report by Korean publication MTN reveals that the aforementioned Project H has been cancelled as part of a feasibility review. Staff will now apparently be transferred to a different project."

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ocelot07491d ago

Just incase people miss it. This ain't the one GG was working on.

I don't like seeing games cancelled. Considering hard work from plenty of people and planety of money spent on it. But I'm glad Sony are seemingly looking at this live service plan and taking measures. They don't want another concord. Really hoping this means they have less focus on Live service now.

RaidenBlack491d ago (Edited 491d ago )

Wait, there is/was two different Horizon live-service projects?

"It’s important to note that this game is not to be confused with a separate online multiplayer version of Horizon, confirmed to be in development at series creator Guerrilla. That game, as far as we understand, still very much remains in production for now."

I though GG was working on Horizon 3 and the live-service was being handled by NCSoft?

edit: The comment section under the PushSquare article is pretty interesting.

-Foxtrot491d ago (Edited 491d ago )

"The comment section under the PushSquare article is pretty interesting. "

Yeah the same couple of asshats who are trying to defend GaaS games.

get2sammyb dosen't have a clue.

VenomUK491d ago

Horizon Zero Dawn sold brilliantly for Sony, but Shuhei Yoshida revealed what we all suspected , the second game didn’t sell so well. Sony has got it in its head that it could be its very own Star Wars franchise - but it’s misjudged the demand as the majority of people who’ve played the games don’t love them. Thank God it’s cancelled the MMO because I could see this being an Ubisoft Skull & Bones level disaster.

Cacabunga491d ago

Couldn’t be happier.. I’m sick of this franchise

neutralgamer1992491d ago

Thing is sony is now rethinking their strategy that means studios won't release a game for a long time now

Bend and blue point will need 3-5 years for their next release so basically this while generation absolutely nothing bedies 1 remake

RaidenBlack491d ago

Ghost of Yotei and Wolverine would be the 2 big releases within 1.5 years. And maybe Intergalactic?
And hopefully, Marathon doesn't get cancelled and whatever Housemarque's up to, releases within the 2 years window.
And there's Fairgame$ and GG's Fortnite-esque Horizon co-op game as well (found about it just now, apparently it was leaked as well, 2 years back).

neutralgamer1992491d ago (Edited 491d ago )

I hope they just let bend make days gone sequel and have BP remake a game just to regain their confidence

IRetrouk490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

@venom the game still sold well, 8.5 mill in a year, if you remember the leaks, it showed that sales tanked after they put it into ps plus, had nothing to do with the ips popularity.

RaidenBlack491d ago (Edited 491d ago )

I am not much of a supporter of leaks,
But seeing these projects getting cancelled, and with so many people spent time working on these AAA projects, I do hope atleast some of the alpha/beta gameplay clips gets shared/leaked, so atleast we get to know what we may have missed/avoided.
Again, not much of a supporter of leaks, but we did get to see a finished gameplay promotional trailer of the Spider-Man: The Great Web live-service game. And imho, after seeing the trailer, that could've been the better Sony 1st party live-service game and had potential.

Tacoboto490d ago

There should be more leaks from more studios and developers.

Greedy corporations like Sony, like Microsoft, who boast about their profits ("most profitable generation" for Sony) while cutting projects/jobs, deserve to be exposed for the years of developers' lives and careers being absolutely wasted with nothing to show for it.

Maybe if someone at Guerrilla can leak this stylized Horizon GaaS, our feedback can kill that off before Sony invests even more into a project no one wants.

RaidenBlack490d ago

Well much of that GG Horizon GaaS has been leaked actually :
https://twistedvoxel.com/ho...

Dont know if there was more .... but would love to see the now cancelled NCSoft's version as well.

northpaws490d ago

There are no such thing as "Greedy corporations", all corporations want maximum profit.

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Lightning77490d ago

The Spider-Man LS game could of been a potential hit. I just dont understand. Why cancel Twisted Metal Spider man etc for something like a Concord? I Know dead horse but it's beyond baffling at these decisions especially Twisted Metal. That game has actual LS written all over it, in good way.

RaidenBlack490d ago

Same here .... why cancel Twisted Metal and Spider Man but keep others?
I would even prefer a Motorstorm or SOCOM live service game ... over a God of War LS.

jwillj2k4491d ago

Sony ran Horizon into the ground.

Abnor_Mal491d ago

Agreed, they should have made at least one new Killzone game.

sinspirit490d ago

I have been wanting a KillZone with Battlefield style maps and destruction. I think that suits KillZone very well and is a part of the shooter market we are missing.

Eonjay490d ago

There has only been 2 Horizon games. They have both been pretty good. And as far as we know there is only one left.

jwillj2k4490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

Horizon Zero Dawn: 2017

Horizon Call of the Mountain
Initial release date: February 22, 2023

Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores
Initial release date: April 19, 2023

Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition
Initial release date: October 6, 2023

Lego Horizon Adventures
Initial release date: November 14, 2024

Horizon forbidden West TV show on Netflix

Horizon forbidden West canceled MMO

Look how much activity this IP has from 2023 to right now, all within the same generation.

I’m not just going by what I can buy off the PlayStation store I’m going by what commercials I see in different products I can interact with around this IP.

northpaws490d ago

@jwillj2k4

Seriously? Count "complete edition" and expansion as well? The only extra one that we might not need is "Lego Horizon Adventures". For me, this gen they have Horizon Forbidden West and a VR game (which PSVR2 desperately need), anything that are not out, are... simply not out, you can't count that.

jwillj2k4490d ago

@northpaws

I include anything that’s getting advertised in front of my face that they want me to buy as part of the that IP. That’s not a stretch.

Also, I failed to mention the gorilla games Horizon monster Hunter game coming out. It’s just too much too soon. I don’t even think horizons their biggest money maker. It feels like there’s an agenda that was being pushed.

jwillj2k4490d ago

Damn, I even forgot the horizon zero dawn remaster in 2024. This IP needs to be shelved ASAP.

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TiredGamer490d ago

They did that to Killzone and Resistance as well. After Killzone 2, we got the PSP games, parts 3, 4, and the Vita game all in the span of like 5 years. The series was never that popular to begin with, and unless there is something to spark new excitement in the series, the audience drops off gradually after each entry.

Horizon had its fans, but I never felt that it had mega franchise potential. And so here we are.

Abnor_Mal491d ago

What a wasted generation. I’m glad at the end of last gen I said for this gen I’ll get the PS5 in three years and just play vr and older gen games. At the end of this gen or rather the start of the next I would pick up the PS5 games for cheap.

I’m glad that was my plan and glad that I stuck to the plan.

Sony trying to follow the hype into areas that they have no clue about, instead of sticking to their bread and butter games.

anast491d ago

It sounds like you are patting yourself on the back for confirming your own decision to play old games. We all play old games, no use publishing it.

Abnor_Mal491d ago

Hell yes I’m patting myself on the back for my decision.

I also said I’m playing vr games too, not just older games.

anast491d ago (Edited 491d ago )

Good, I play old games too. I got games from GoG for like a dollar. I'm sure glad I did.

I'm playing new PS5 games too not just old ones.

anast491d ago

Concord scared Sony to death.

jwillj2k4491d ago

Good they needed something to wake them up. These companies get arrogant so quickly so they realize they have a money maker. At least it didn’t need to reach PS3 levels of arrogance.

raWfodog491d ago

It was a much needed eye opener. Seriously, what were they thinking sinking so many resources into this absurd amount of GaaS games? You would think they never heard of 'not putting all your eggs into one basket'.

anast490d ago

Yeah, I'm happy they are changing course.

Armaggedon490d ago

They learned from EA. These corporations have a tendency to try to replicate a profitable formula in evey project they can get away with.

Elda490d ago

Seems as if they were shook to their core...lol!!

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