Yeah Microsoft can learn some things from Sony. Just like Sony, can learn some things from Microsoft. Other than MS doing just fine.

hell yeah i love that pic hahahaha

kratos rape master chief nice bro

#1 should be offering online play to XBL free members. MS appears to be very confident that XBL is the go to place for entertainment, so why continue to hold online hostage?

They can all learn from each other.

800 MS Points : 10 Dollars, i find this argument invalid because on ebay you can get Points worth 50 Dollars for 35, thats saving alot of money, only fools buy there points straight from Xbox.

The pic alone is trolling, nevermind the article itself.

1-thing-sony-could.learn.from. ms-xbox--aa!!!!!!!!!!!!

They could learn how to bring real value to the xbox live service instead of "providing" twitter & facebook apps.
A programm like Playstation +.

This is the perfect troll inducing article, lets ask the huge PS3 heavy community what Microsoft or M$ as they are known here, what they can learn from the beloved Sony........riiiiiight.

The bottom line that competition is good, its probably not too smart to try and be directly like your competitor because your fans went with you for a reason. As a Xbox 360 owner I'm overall pretty happy with how they have come along in just their second generation, I do wish they had released a successor to the Xbox 360 already, but next year isn't too far off.

This to me is just a massive excuse to stir things up with your big wooden spoon varnished with the tears of fanboys.

Read above: "UUHHH YOU PAY FOR XBOX LIVE LOLOLOLOLOL" so what? What's it to you what services people use and don't use? If you don't want to pay for XBL then don't but don't bitch at the people that prefer XBL to the PSN.

Each has their benefits and short comings.

I could say many things about Microsoft, and how much they've made me angry, but I've learned it makes other people upset when I do, so I will try to direct my complaints to Microsoft in a forum that only Microsoft themselves can hear or see it.

Wtf? Isn't it against the rules of N4G for an author on their site to post their news to N4G then private message members on the site begging to approve their article? 'Cause that's what I received 59 minutes ago from jslash.

a LOT.

I think both companies can take lessons from past consoles. I think they are pushing online and service so hard that they are making games dysfunctional without it.

Game saves are becoming an issue as they are now locked by certain developers and unable to be backed up by users. These locked saves can magically be saved to cloud storage though...provided a paid membership is used. Past consoles didn't have this problem. So why take the user's ability to copy saves away?

Almost every game disc requires at least one online update. These "1.01" updates are available on release day and seem to only provide a "hook" to online in order to complete the game. Past consoles didn't have that many broken games on release day. So why use online to make sure every game is broken on release day? Doesn't that contradict the entire purpose of online updates to begin with?

Every digital game bought from the online store can't be backed up by the user. You can back up the garbage data but you can never recover your "purchases" unless the digital store activates it. So instead the only reliable method of getting your purchased games is through the online store... a store that might not be available next generation. Sega, Panasonic, NEC, and others left the console market. Who's to say these three will stay or even bother to keep the service next gen? Microsoft and Sony both stopped supporting backwards compatability of PS2 and Xbox titles. Why would the digital format be any different?

Online game servers dropping out before the gen is over. Yet they surrounded the entire industry around it and call it the future without any considerable foresight…or hindsight for that matter. Instead they pass the costs on to the consumer to feed their pockets endlessly.

Get your gaming priorities to the top and the service should follow. Not the other way around where your service comes first and nothing else stands in the way. Because of that both the games and the gamers have gotten a lot less this generation and most don't even know it yet. Those who haven't read the terms and conditions yet will only be fooled until the next generation starts. Mark my words.

@chanmasta
u r an idiot i would not call that begging, i think ur jealous coz u could not write an article of this quality

Why so much hate over an opinion? who's to say this article won't be followed up with Sony on the other side? Sony can learn things too, such as advertising techniques. Nintendo can learn things as well.

They all have strengths, and all have weakness, every company does. Simply implying a company could learn from someone else isn't saying the company sucks....

This goes both ways for each company:
For Sony:
-They can learn to make their online network run a little smoother and possibly making online communication with friends and other people easier. Not saying anythings wrong with PSN. I love it very much but you can't lie and say live isn't the better service for online. But I don't want Sony to start charging for online but I'm definitely willing to pay for psn+ which I already do and am enjoying the free game if they use some of that revenue for building a better online network
-The next thing Somy needs to learn is to market their blockbuster games better like how Mocrosoft does. I mean the Kevin Butler commercials were a great start so build on that and have him do more commercials.
For Microsoft:
-They can learn from Sony is to produce a bunch of new IP exclusives and stop doing the exclusive times DLC. There is no benefit to that. Go buy some creative and talented studios and give them the freedom to create their own unique game. For example I know RARE can still make great games so let them do their own thing instead of kinect shovelware.
- Xbox live should be similar to PS+ that you get free games and discounts for paying yearly subscription. It has certainly benefited for Sony so they should do the same to rewards 360 owners.

Those are my thoughts for both sides. I used to own a 360 but now I own a ps3. Im most likely going ps4 next gen but that doesn't mean I won't get a 720 eventually

I'm sure MS learned many things from Sony. They learned how to get ahead of Sony this gen, and stay there.

I'm sure they learn from each other. Sony could use a lesson or two in making money. They haven't been too good at that lately.

There is no certainty of Sony dominating the next generation of consoles. Thats like saying the Wii U will be a guaranteed big hit because the Wii had huge console sales. For Sony, if they hope to 'dominate' again they need to make inroads back into the U.S. market. PS2 dominated in the U.S. and now the Xbox 360 does. The game industry is very different from when the PS1 and PS2 were available. I don't think anyone will have any idea until the Wii U and next gen Xbox and Playstation are for sale.

so i can get hack like sony hell ya and have bad net codeing and 200 games and jap that i cant get and games that online die and re release ps3 for 2012 put red on a psp 2!!! and be 6 billion in the hole and lay off people to. all i got to say is halo ftw. ps sony is ass

I own a 360 and PS3... I also game the most on my PS3 watch tons of Blu-rays on my PS3...

The only thing that MAINLY keeps me on my PS3 is the fact that MS fell asleep at the gaming wheel quite a while ago, my appeal in Sony is the fact they take dramatic risks in most their exclusive titles where MS wants the safe bet all the time... The fresh ideas are what keep me interested, the ideas of doing something on 1 console that you can't on the other... that's where 3rd party support don't mean much if at all to me!

Exclusives

Microsoft puts out halo & gears so all xbox fans are happy.. Sony is a much deeper gaming company than all western guns blazing & aliens.. Halo & COD are the only reason microsoft stands.. Sony has COD as well but they have 20x more exclusive games in almost every department & a premium network service thats actually worth the $50/yr.. Oh i forgot xbl went up in price to $60/yr so ya sony owns em in my book... Xbox & kinect have no place in my home.. I love the headline picture.. Kratos would so murder the master chief & all those gears of war brutes..

Sony fanboys wouldn't have Trophies if it wasn't for Xbox 360 making achievements in the first place.

Might I also add that Sony can learn a thing or two about how to make their network as engaging as Xbox live. PSN is a joke and the community aspect needs to be completely revamped.

Oh and by the way, don't get me started on the ridiculous install times for games on Playstation 3... Just as easy as it is for a fanboy to praise their console, a real gamer would be honest enough to point out the flaws for their system as well. Xbox and Nintendo both have flaws too but given the nature of this article my points on focused on sony for the minute.

What Sony can learn from Microsoft:

How to work well enough with Bethesda to release a version of Skyrim ( with DLC) that actually works on the Playstation 3

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I think MS entertainment & gaming division has done well for a Division that's been around for say 12 years & on thier second console.

Please ms take no advice from sony i want you to be around for years.

Some new AAA IPs would be nice.

Yes fix the ms point system to real money. My friend had like 200 MS points and Jet Grind Radio was 800. He couldn't get 500 msp because he would be be 100 msp short so instead he had to buy 1000 ms.

Just about everything really.

more games and not just dlc all the time 1 month before playstation wow get more games its now xbox has no games

I'd rather they spend time and money on brand new games instead of remastering old titles.

OKay... Here is something Sony could learn from MS...When you redesign your system to make it cheaper....Maybe you could cut the cost to the consumer???

That redesigned PS3 is one of the ugliest system redesigned systems I've ever seen....AND IT'S NOT EVEN CHEAPER....Horrible move Sony.

Sony cut the price of the PS3 too many times to try and keep pace w/ 360. So they can't afford to cut prices this early again.

Irrespective, I think Sony will get a sales bump from the 'new' PS3. Gullible consumers will think it is better than the previous model. In my opinion, Microsoft have put profitability over sales volumes the last few years. Whereas Sony previously cut the price of the PS3 and reduced profit margins. They will both be maximising profit on this gen because the next gen will take a while to get profitability.

I think Sony should learn how to make money - maybe they can take notes from M$ and Nintendo. Maybe, if they could come up with some IP's that sell Like M$'s Halos, Gears, and Kinect or Nintendo's Mario's and Zelda's among there many hits then I'd believe Sony is competent and know's how to do business.

This article is a prime example of what N4g is REALLY about lol.
This article over time will pull out Sonys finest defenders on the net..... go figure.
I think Sony could learn the same if not more from MS from this gen......fact:)
Someone please submit a "Sony can learn from MS"opinion piece and see if it passes,along with the mass disagrees that would fall upon MS fans that post on it.

This article is so laughable and shows the transparency of n4 and it's SDF.
The 90 + agrees on the first post say it all.

Reported the site
not gonna waste my time with your stupid trolling article,the display pic alone is more than enough to report your site

in the sound of napoleon dynamite :
IDIOTS!..

Edit :
"You are still a trainee. You need 3 news submissions approved before you can add reports."

-_- whatever!

the one thing that Sony could learn from MS is not to cater/listen to the so call hard core fan or rather fanboy of their console, why?

1. Could Sony use some money to make their PSN services better? Yes, but what do these "hardcore fan" wants? They wanted it free. The rule of business is no money, no improvement, that is reality. Just ask yourself something, would you be dedicated to work for free so that others can entertain themselves (it is not something critical like hungry children, it is just entertainment) People aren't stupid to break sweat and blood over something insignificant right?

2. Ok, so now u guys support PS+. That is good, but what they get from these services, free games right? U guys even boasted about free games you guys are getting every months. It is good, but i can't help but wondering, If you are core fan of Sony, why didn't you buy those games for ps3 like years ago? Wouldn't that help sony and developers (3rd party included) more when you buy it then, instead of waiting for bargin bin price or free on ps+? Both fanboy camps are pretty bad, but at least i see the xbox fan support xlive regardless, where as ps fan only support ps+ because of Russian Roulette like cheap deals and free games offering each months. You guys must have really like Forrest Gump quote "ps+ is like a box of chocolate, you'll never know what you gonna get"

3. Nintendo show that casual market are very viable, much more so than the hardcore (as evidence with more developers going toward mobile gaming now). Sony also want to reach into that market to make more profit which would help their business dramatically. But what happen, u guys just want hard core games (as shown from comments on here and the lack luster sales from the MOVE). It is so sad for Sony that they have to keep catering to the hardcore fans (even with the moves when it was clearly made to get Sony into that casual market) because they can't afford to lose the hardcore fans too. Sony is in a bind and can't expand their games to more potential customers. Of course, Sony could have also learn from MS on how to dissociate themselves from Nintendo if they want to do well in that market; no one want to buy the same product, although it is slightly different in that it is black and has a glowing globe, that are out years ago at a much higher price tag now do they?

4. Many on here, based on your own words not mine, seems to also only want exclusives. What about 3rd party games on ps3? How many times will we see threaten letters, boycotting,partition, lost of interest on games, used to be on ps console exclusively (FF13, DMC, MetalGear,etc..) that go multiplatform (seriously do you guys know they are still available on ps3?)? How 3rd party willing to show more support for Sony if they see the fans don't really care much? Do you really think 3rd party aren't important to sony when they still make up most of what available on ps3? In part, Sony could have also learn from MS to make a more developer friendly system because no 3rd party gonna stick their heads out for Sony anymore like in the past because they do have good alternate system to developer for that is easy, quick and convenient (from development tools, flexible memories, or they don't have to worry about online aspect like communication because it is already handle by MS).

Conclusion:

Ask yourself something, are you guys truly supporting PS3 like you said, or you guys just all talks for the soul purpose of bragging rights (exclusives,exclusives, free online, cheap deals and free, free and free games on ps+, best exclusives ever, etc....).

Do you guys truly understand a dam thing or two on how to support Sony?

Sony is in dire situation because they keep supporting mindless zombies soldiers that would kill/destroy/threaten 3rd party developers/developers (SE, Capcom, etc..) in Sony name, but don't really know how to help them prosper in their business. Like the army, you have to pitch out money for the soldiers, but Sony is a business company, they need customers, not soldiers so get it straight.

Being a fan of both....

The main thing I think Microsoft could learn from Sony is to be a little more open minded towards more stylish/creative IP's that think outside of the box and take a more original/unique stance, opposite to the more common generic route, the safe bet, at least 1 or 2 a year...

Microsoft should give the next ***Media molecule*** type dev house a shot, (not just indie games, but full blown IP's,) become a little more risque ... A LBP type game once a year would not hurt....

I'm a Sony Fan, don't get me wrong, but the one thing which Sony could learn from Microsoft would be providing a decent online service, yes even though it's free.

Each need to learn from their mistakes first, then see what the competition is doing good and adapt it with their plans.

As a gamer I go with the console that adapt to my gaming preference, last gen I started on ps2 and finished with the Xbox (very good exclusives). This one started with Xbox and will end on ps3, that's my choice as a gamer, I want the better games not the things any cheap phone and tablet can do.

microsoft needs to get out of the game industry, imo if youre not gonna make and fund new hardcore ips then please leave

bring back sega!

Dammit Jerry! You started another fanboy war!

Sony is true to the core gamers! MS? The bastards killed killer instinct. I have no doubt if rare was under sony we would have killer instinct again.

Sony still supports the ps3 with new ip's and ms pumps out kinect, halo & forza again.

Oh yeah and gears.

beyond, the last of us, rain, puppeteer & the second ps3 version of god of war will be amazing!

Sony only needs to beat MS's online service and marketing.

Pointless article.

MS and Sony will do as they wish.

Besides, i disagree.
The only valid point i see is develop more IPs which imo applies to both consoles.

Apart from a selection of games neither console has much "quality, hard selling" games apart from multiplats.

Abit oftopic, either its that or im growing out of gaming, im finding it hard to find a game which can keep me entertained long enough worth forking out my dosh.

I owned the original Xbox, and had a ton of great exclusives for that console. The exclusives and the sturdy hardware is why I bought it and stuck with it. It seems though Microsoft has abandoned both of these concepts with the 360. I bought my 360 a few months after launch, picked up some great games, and bought a gold subscription. I'm now on my third 360, while my original Xbox still works wonderfully. As the years went on, exclusives became fewer and fewer, and the dashboard slowly became what it is today. So why would I pay for a gold subscription anymore? Where is that money going? Do you know how much money Microsoft is pocketing with all of those ads? Where is this money going? New IPs? Improving a dashboard that's actually meant for the people that put the Xbox brand on the map? I'm not seeing it! Consumers reach a point where they come to realize they are being taken advantage of. I have come to that point, and have not renewed my gold subscription. The Xbox brand will not get another cent from me until they show their consumer base that they are worth it

Could not have thought up a better quote myself .

You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.
Steve Jobs

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.