Camine continues to reflect on Jade Raymond, Jim Sterling and Edwin Evans-Thirlwell, as she attempts to ascertain the significant of games going mainstream:
Previously during the investigation, I frowned in Jim Sterling's direction for treating Jade Raymond like she's a moron despite her more informed position regarding the marketability of video game controllers. I pointed out that, as he is familiar with controllers, Sterling's opinion regarding their accessibility to outsiders is useless. I pointed out that he didn't even read Raymond's opinion correctly, since he responded to her statements as if she meant that motion controllers must replace manual controllers or that motion controls were a viable replacement right now.
Haven Studios faces uncertainty as Fairgames’ director Daniel Drapeau exits for WB Games Montreal, following Jade Raymond’s departure in May.
Not a good sign
It could end up another Concord embarrassment for them. Why risk releasing it.
Im sure the more they cancel, the more pressure builds to make some form of money back, kind of a feedback loop of failure unfortunately
They could just make smaller games like Astrobot. Clearly people love their platformers.
Smaller teams and less cost development wise means they won’t have to sell what they expect AAA games to do number wise.
Herman said something about not wanting teams to play it safe but yet want to fail early and cheaply? I wonder what makes this game special to Herman? When Jade Left it was due to early negative feedback of the game. If this game does release I can see it release late next year maybe early 27. Again, if it does release.
Unfortunately Fairgames so far is showing all the signs of a product that's not gonna do very well. There's a high chance of cancelation here.
Clearly his decision was made as a result of projects failures and development hells like this game. It was a correction to the couse they were already on.
Veteran producer Jade Raymond has left Haven Studios, the company she founded in 2021.
According to a new report by Bloomberg, Raymond – who rose to prominence after producing Assassin’s Creed and executive producing Assassin’s Creed II, Assassin’s Creed: Bloodlines and Watch Dogs – has left her studio, which is still in the process of developing online shooter Fairgames.
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Jesus Christ man...Unbelievable!
I can´t believe that Playstation Studios can´t manage to develop and deliver ONE single successful high quality first party LS game throughout the whole current generation!
Hermen Hulst needs to be fired ASAP! He´s Jimbo 2.0!
Can you stop the fanboying for 2 seconds? Seriously this deflecting and ignoring everything that's going on with Sony's first party the past few years is frustrating and ignorant. You know there's others who have a PS also and want Sony's best like we use to get right? Stop trying to ruin it for everyone else with side steps. Not this BS deflecting that you ppl constantly do.
Besides HD what other LS game thrived so far? Has Herman made good buissness choices and decisions when it comes to LS yes or no?
Start questioning PS Studios.
@Lightning
Fanboy? You talking about me, or yourself? We got alt guy over here with his brand new account burning up from rage, and you are asking me stop “fan boying”?
Sony have at least 3 first party heavy hitters coming up, that we know of, and its not like we are lacking in exclusives department.
As to LS, they had Helldivers, and GT7, both were resounding success. They had a complete flop in concord. Not sure why you think we need to be concerned. They are destroying the competition and that market share translates to games.
"Fanboy? You talking about me, or yourself?"
What's are you talking about how am I a fanboy? Those alt counts will be gone nobody will see them anyway.
I wouldn't call Marathon a heavy hitter and Yotei yes definitely. However they do have DS2 I just feel like there should be more. We all know why there isn't more.
They only have two LS HD as I mentioned and I totally forgot about Grand Turismo. Only 2 While canceling Twisted Metal and Spiderman LS. Who knows the quality at least those games sound compelling.
Btw MLB isn't a live service its a Yearly released sports game.
Only one LS flop? Were just going to ignore all the canceled LS games that were in development for years? Ok then.
@S2... does that mean you are thankful for XB games? Who'd of thought MS helping to keep PS [only] fans fed during these trying times.
@Lightning
you womt call it a heavyhitter? Really, interesting. There is also intergalactic. Sonyes there will be more.
@darth
Why would I complain about xbox exclusives being playable on PlayStation? I mean xbox really didnt have a lot throughout the years but that doesnt mean they didn’t have anything at all. I normally dont like bro-dude games with bulky dudes, but I may actually play gears of war if just to try it. (Assuming the games arent too outdated at this point)
Listen,
I am as Sony bred as they come, never owned an Xbox of any kind, Playstation first and foremost even over Nintendo, and a PS+ Premium member. I have put 90% of my gaming time into the past 4 generations of Playstation since the PS2.
Sitting here presently, I find myself asking why I bought a PS5 instead of going PC. I can't think of one single game put out exclusively for PS5 by Sony that has made me glad to have the console.
There have been third party games, like FF7 Rebirth and Expedition 33 that have given me the "hell yeah" feeling about the purchase, but nothing Sony has done. It's been either remasters, the Last of Us again, or attempted Live Service slop that nobody asked for and either couldn't even make it to the table or died out as soon as it did.
There's no true "it" game. Returnal, GoW Ragnorok, and Horizon are all good games, terrific even. But are they truly system seller worthy?
If this direction continues onwards as blaring as it has been, I can't see myself getting a PS6. Ps+ is extremely expensive for no real reason, at $230 + tax for tier that pumps out classics that are more hit than miss. Remasters outnumber exclusives 10 to 1, and we have another Concord game that will likely fair exactly the same and just have been several years of improperly guided directions away from what put Sony on the map in the first place. Buying Bluepoint and sticking them on a live service God of War game? How can you defend that kind of decision making?
We don't have "anything you have" and more. It sucks just as much on PS as Xbox because WTF are we paying all this money for? I haven't seen the monthly offerings surge in quality since the last two psn price hikes and I already brought up Premiums current state. To get games nobody asked for or wants? To be PC port playtesters?
None of us are eating good except PC users, and for them it actually pays to be patient.
Sony helped finance Jade Raymond to set up her own studio, then bought it. So even though Haven has yet to release a single game, whatever happened she's made millions. Not bad!
I don't really care about LS, but the overall output for the last 1.5 years has dropped dramatically, along with the transparency on what teams have teed up. Sounds like a mess over there.
That's rich coming from you. An xbox lover but yet support a console that havent develop and deliver ONE single successful High quality first party game throughout its entire two generations of consoles.
"An xbox lover but yet support a console that havent develop and deliver ONE single successful High quality first party game throughout its entire two generations of consoles."
Hmm... Not from what I been seeing and hearing from actual Playstation players and Playstation Store sales stats.
Helldivers 2 is a massive success, and you’re ignoring it.
And, when the competition doesn’t bring anything to the table themselves, a handful of games like Helldivers 2 and Returnal are enough to win the competition.
You can’t win a console war if you don’t compete with games. Xbox lowered the bar for Sony, and I blame Xbox for that.
She leaves every studio she goes to before a single game is released. Do some research
Yeah hate to break it to you Sony but I think they need to shelve their LS efforts almost all together. They formed LFG ex Bungie guys and making another LS but I don't have much hope for it anymore. Marathon is quickly getting overshadowed by Arch Raiders, We all know what happened to Concord.
Only solution I can think of is have 3rd party like a Arrowhead make them a LS game. Speaking of AH their next project is completely funded by them so it won't be from them. I just think it's a good idea that they seek a 3rd party for LS. They'll save time, money and won't take time away their SP efforts. Which is suffering immensely this gen due to all this LS.
It might come out it might not. Sony said they're still pushing the project. That's a good thing. Even if it does come out will it be any good? There's too many questions and hurdles surrounding the LS.
Bigger question when are we gonna see it? Will they have a PS showcase or State Of Play? Grubb said Sony was debating whether to have a showcase, SOP or anything.
I sure hope they have a showcase or something in the coming weeks. I want Sony first party and their teams not just Xbox events and shows basically saving the damn day at this point.
Of all the companies it's freakin Xbox that's doing it. Who'd a thought.
All those games were already on PC anyway. They're only so easy to port because PlayStation has literally copied Sonys architecture for multiple generations, just worse / corners cut (XBSX still doesnt have the fill rate of a base PS5 due to clocks, and it shows)
Live services games are hard to make & and even harder to make if you trying to create an original game.
Just copy and past succesful gaas or gacha games with their anime license they can easy make a overwatch or geshin impact clone.
This is actually good advice.
Not that I condone live service games, but if they're trying to succeed, this is sound.
I think they should use some of their Ips to test the waters instead of creating something from the ground up , I think something LittBigPlanet would be I good contender but instead of DLC they just put out new Pass ever few months with new costumes,building materials and developer created content . Warhawk could be a good contender for a battle royal . The reason HD2 2 succeeded was because it wasn't directly competing with anything else.
Not necessarily… MiHoYo have quite consistently successfully hit it out of the park.
Fate Grand order is a LS game is even owned by Sony.
Sony needs to stop with the arena shooters and get creative
Its funny how the excuse is always "games are hard to make". Sure on a technical level they take weeks/months/years, but ideas aren't all that hard to come up with, nor hard to figure out that they might not work well as a games concept. That's why they prototype these ideas. What's weird to me is how so many service games go into development for years and no one seems to come to the conclusion that it's turning out bad. That and how slow devs are these days. You watch docs on game development on older games and devs talk about figurine out mechanics in just a few days. Now it takes a dev a year to texture something.
There's something a little different about PlayStation's plan to acquire Haven Studios. Historically, Sony likes to have a little dating period with a developer, where they might release a few games together before they get married. It's what happened with Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, Media Molecule, Insomniac and Housemarque. Yet Sony announced its partnership with Haven a little over a year ago. The developer may be full of established faces who are responsible for hit games such as Assassin's Creed, but it's still a new studio. It's still growing. It's not even announced the PS5 game it's working on, let alone released it. So why do the deal now?
"Obviously we will always carry on making these single-player narrative-based games such as Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us, and Horizon Forbidden West," Hulst emphasises.
That's good.
I think Sony slept on FromSoftware (after demon souls success)!
I wonder if Sony is looking to purchase a Japanese dev that would be cool. I expected them to buy Level-5 in PS3 days but now they are publisher. I love and prefer Single player games :)
@Terry
It is my understanding that Japanese companies doesn't usually buy each other and that mergers are far more common. Like Square-Enix or Bandai-Namco.
FromSoftware isn’t an independent studio though, so Sony would’ve needed to purchase them from their parent company. It’s owned by a Japanese media/entertainment company, or something along the lines of that, and they’ve owned FromSoftware since before Demons Souls if my memory serves correct.
But also:
“ The Haven acquisition will continue Sony's investment in live service and multiplayer games. ”
This is all part of money already spent which is being announced now. There is still a 10+ billion dollar question that will be answered
solideagle
Sony actually recently invested in the parent company that owns from software who btw made the request to Sony to invest
Terry_B
Sony usually invests like they did with square enix when they were going through a rough patch. They asked Sony to buy the shares and once things stabilized Sony sold back the shares
Japanese publishers are every different. Sony or Nintendo could buy anyone but that's a different culture over there and it makes it next to impossible for an outsider to buy a Japanese publisher
https://www.videogameschron...
Sony is looking to buy big. My guess is they will target Capcom and square enix. But just like Ms Sony won't make all games exclusives. I think times are changing and we will see more cross platform support from both which is great
There will still be must have exclusives but some games are too big to keep away from others
I think spreading out the acquisition portoflio between established and growing is not a bad idea.
A company with confidence in their values can acquire noobs and instill those values.
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Well I’m sure all the acquisition going on in the industry motivated Sony to pull the trigger. But funny how quick Jade was willing to sell. Not even one game under the new studio. I think they must of been angling for this from the get go.
Sony must be betting big on this game to buy this studio so quickly.
Makes me even more curious to see what exactly it is.
I think this is the supposed first 'terobyte' game whatever that means. As long as it doesn't require 1000 gigs of space on the SDD lets do it lol. In all seriousness, It SOUNDS like some kind of MMO.
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If they make money from these games it’s fine with me if it’s helping find the single player stuff . I do t like live service as I do t have the time to play these never ending games and usually the quality is lesser than you desire . When I was younger I loved Everquest and FF11 but those are MMOs they are slightly different but are still live service imo. If they make a great hardcore VRMMO or MMO like EQ when I retire im in !
