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Microsoft refutes developer claims that Windows 8 is bad for gaming

GamesBeat writes: While Microsoft is hard at work trying to sell the idea of Windows 8 as a great gaming platform, some developers are still not convinced.

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Tolkoto5026d ago

People just hate those even numbered Windows.

Sadie21005025d ago

Windows 2000 was gr--...OK, you're right.

Christopher5025d ago

Yeah, finish that statement and see if I don't suddenly invent a way to smack people on the Internet :P

Christopher5025d ago

Technically, both can be right.

First, Valve et al are right that a built-in storefront and focus on a Windows-derived storefront will make it harder for companies like Valve and EA who use their own store fronts with their own pros and cons. Much like the Android and iTunes storefronts, it will create a 'trusted' portal for the majority of users and will be something that third-party developers won't be able to ignore and will make competition very hard to do when the OS has built-in advertising for a specific store front option over all others. All while doing this Microsoft will be making money off of this built-in method and taking it away from existing store front platforms.

But, Microsoft is also right that a centralized store front with a set of specific rules and known standards for distributing software as a whole as well as easily accessible to a much wider audience because it is cooked into the OS as a feature will allow it to reach new gamers, a single place for all your gaming needs, and more. It may even bring in new gamers into the PC market who previously had focused on consoles only or didn't know about the type of games available to them because they focused on mobile gaming or the like.

nukeitall5025d ago

You are right.

This is bad for companies like EA and Valve who try to push their own store so they have their own agenda.

On the other hand, what is good for consumer is typically one place to buy stuff. I don't want to choose from Valve, Origin, Games for Windows, Stardock and so on.

That said, I really see this as a positive step. If the app store is good, then we use that. If the app store is bad, then we can still use Valve, Origin or whatever. They all still work on desktop version of Windows 8. So therefore nothings changed and there is just more competition.

Christopher5025d ago

I wouldn't say it's good for the consumer, actually. It means less competition for the customer if companies like Valve and EA are pushed out of the way. Less competition is never good.

Think about it. Will Microsoft have the same sales as Steam? Will they offer the same community features and mods as Steam?

LAZL0-Panaflex5025d ago

Windows 8....the death of xbox.

...and microsoft.

yesmynameissumo5026d ago

What else are they going to say?

Crazyglues5025d ago (Edited 5025d ago )

My thoughts exactly, I mean what else can they say, but it's good.. -they are trying to sell Windows 8

They really have no choice but to say it's good. -even if it's a complete turd, didn't they say the same exact thing about Vista... LoL

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LAZL0-Panaflex5025d ago

Vista bbbbbllooooooooowzzzz

user54670075025d ago (Edited 5025d ago )

Oh so Gabe Newell, Notch, John Carmack and Rob Pardo are bullcrapping us...people who specialise in PC gaming...right ¬¬

Typical MS

"They're wrong because we SAID they're wrong"

They should at least be talking to these people to find out whats wrong to make Windows 8 better. I mean these guys who have called it are big names when it comes to PC gaming.

I mean it's not like they are trying to disprove these criticisms, for example

"Gabe is wrong BECAUSE..."

R_aVe_N5025d ago

You expect them to say "They are right it is horrible to develope for" that would be career destruction at its finest.

JBSleek5025d ago

Windows 8 isn't bad for PC gaming at all. One can't name one thing wrong with Windows 8 on the gaming side as it is Windows 7 with Metro skinned on top of it.

Gabe and company are worried about Windows Store and Live integration as it is a threat. Windows 8 is more optimized so actually it would be better for PC gaming.

They can still have their desktop applications that don't change anything. Steam and Blizzard can still run their programs no problem but what is a problem is that ARM devices are void of these and Microsoft will have their own store which will be the place for games.

This is just like Acer and others being upset that MSFT has the Surface tablet because it poses a threat to them not because it is bad.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn216d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn216d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac15d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger16d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde16d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7517d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_15d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.