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Xbox 720 could boot PC games

The idea that the eventual release of the Xbox 720 could boot PC games may mean big things for the future of Microsoft’s next generation console because this would cause a massive impact on the likes of Nintendo and Sony. The option to expand games would also give the Xbox 720 an advantage to the extent that they would not have to concentrate on new features constantly to remain a competitor with other consoles.

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Peekayboo5028d ago

The idea that Microsoft would let 3rd programs run on their console that they will be selling at a loss is flawed and shouldn't see the light of day

rdgneoz35028d ago

And the fact that MS don't like people (3rd parties) having too much freedom with their networks. It'd never work with all the Free-to-play games, let alone MMOs.

decrypt5028d ago (Edited 5028d ago )

not going to happen. Why would people then pay MS 10-20usd more per game.

Even today many PC games are sold quite alot cheaper than console versions. There is no way MS will let go of those royalties.

Selling the console at a loss then not making any money on software doesnt make sense. These are at best rumors to hold people of from buying any other console.

@H3llrais3r

Console gamers dont care about graphics. Hence it wouldnt matter if the games ran in poor quality on the Xbox 720.

tachy0n5028d ago

@decrypt

if console gamers dont care about graphics, then where did the ps3 vs Xbox360 graphics BS came from?

dcbronco5027d ago (Edited 5027d ago )

Microsoft is in the process of combining all of it's services and products. The push is to move everything including the 720 to Windows 8. Windows 8 is also said to have a Steam like service built in. So it wouldn't be other people running things on Microsoft's network. It will all be controlled by MS from day one. Even Hotmail is being transfered over to Outlook. Still free and you still keep your Hotmail address. But it will all be under outlook in the next few months.

This could be very possible.

bintarok5027d ago

This strategy could also means they might have a plan to bring all PC exclusives be able to be played on nextbox. MS has recently patented **scalable console** and the fact that they mention scalability "over time" would lead one to think that they may be looking to make the console upgradable as the technology advances (modular GPU/CPU/RAM stuff?). This would also make sense to stay competitive against tablets tech.

http://www.gamerevolution.c...

Damn you MS, are you gonna call it Xbox 420??

dcbronco5027d ago

Bintarok

That makes sense. A while back it was rumored that MS was working on a solution that allowed a game from one generation to upscale on a future more powerful system. If the 720 is upgradable, you would need that so that people will be more inclined to buy more modules. Plus the next Xbox will be sold at a profit at launch. Or it will only be priced at $299. It would do volumes for PC gaming though consoles were moving in that direction anyway. I think they are looking to have a eco-system where games can work on the 720, PC and tablets from the same copy. Buy a game on the Windows games store and play it on any unit. It fits in perfectly with those leaked documents.

SilentNegotiator5027d ago

Someone definitely logged into their 29 alt accounts today.

Microsoft isn't going to allow PC games because, as said, it wouldn't allow them to charge their royalties and with so many multiplats....people would wise up and buy PC versions of games for $10 less and play online for free.

Unless Microsoft makes it so people have to pay just to CONNECT the "720" to the internet....it isn't going to happen. No chance.

dcbronco5027d ago

Silent

If MS is going to have a Steam-like store within Windows 8 and all their future products will be using Windows 8, why is that so hard to believe? Plus look at this article from IGN. Mainly the correction on a possible release date for the 720. MS states that the Fall update will bring new features and one them them listed is Games on Windows 8. There is no reason to believe that can't include PC games.

“The comments to The Verge were not understood in their intended context. When Brian mentioned a ‘new wave of products,’ he was referring to the full lineup of products coming later this year from Microsoft, including Windows 8, Office, Windows Phone and of course our fall Xbox update which will bring a host of new consumer experiences like Xbox Music, Videos, Games on Windows 8 and Xbox SmartGlass.”

http://www.ign.com/articles...

And the game store on Windows 8 will be giving MS the profit that royalties won't from PC games. And digital also means no delivery truck, no disc, no disc royalties, no replication and no master disc. All of which cost a lot of money and eat into those profits.

SilentNegotiator5027d ago (Edited 5027d ago )

@dcBronco

PC gamers hate GFWL. PC gamers will shun it being pushed again and it will only be given a serious chance on the 360. And at that point, why would you publish it via GFWL for the Xbox?

Then EVERYONE is screwed over; PC gamers either dealing with GFWL or missing out, PC developers getting hit with royalties, gamers paying the mark up from MS's royalties....

NO ONE wins in that scenario.

Either MS hits everyone with the royalties and scuttles everything up....or they don't and it undermines their business COMPLETELY!

zeeshan5027d ago

I highly doubt it. Why would someone buy a Xbox Infinity/720/8/Durango or whatever they call it version of the game?

What I do think that 360 will be able to run games that you buy from soon-to-surface Windows app market. Games like Angry Birds perhaps?

andibandit5027d ago (Edited 5027d ago )

Normally i would say this is highly unlikely, but after MS announced Surface i guess anything is possible.
I say this because earlier MS provided the SW and other companies provided the HW. Now MS is providing SW and HW and competing in the same market essentially making former customers such as ACER, a competitor.

nveenio5027d ago

Microsoft has no intention of "getting a leg up" on Sony or Nintendo. In their eyes, they already hold that position. They're way to arrogant about their console success to think for even a moment that the next generation is up for grabs.

sikbeta5027d ago

@Peekayboo

The idea is to win the living room, IF that means giving away XBX3 for free, they'll do it, it's not about HW, it's about software and services, once you invest in the service you'll not want to ditch it anymore

dcbronco5027d ago

Silent

MS is not stupid enough to think PC gamers will pay a royalty. We're talking about two different systems working on the same infrastructure. Windows 8 store on the PC and on Xbox. And phone and tablet people will use the same service. It's no different then you walking into a store and buying a Xbox game or a PC game. It's just a store. The PC maynot be able to play Xbox games, but it looks like the 360(it seems) and 720 will play PC games.

There will be a royalty for console games, but not for PC games. There may be no royalty for console games on the 720. I could see a scenario where MS(and Sony is they choose to)could act as the distributer for the games on digital copies. They then drop the royalty and take the distributors end of the profit.

A deal where MS takes on the responsibility of running the servers, advertising and providing a fee to ISPs for bandwidth in exchange for $15 of a $50 sale would work out just as well for the developer as the current system. If I were the console holders I would even buy titles outright from time to time to package as bundle games. The 360 remained at $299 for all this time because bundled games made it seem like a great deal.

PC gamers would still be able to go to steam or Origin. The Windows 8 store is just another option. Not sure why some think this eliminates all other options. Bundling Explorer made it clear that wouldn't be allowed. The Windows store is nothing but Steam within Windows 8. This is not GFWL.

zeeshan

People that don't want a $700-800 PC would buy the 720 version. Especially if it's upgradable.

inveni0

MS isn't being arrogant. They are trying to compete in a market where every piece of equipment is trying to do every form of entertainment. They're not trying to do anything that different from what Apple is doing. Netflix is making their own programming. Many others are too. Everyone understands now that you have to have you're own in order to compete.

sikbeta

Exactly. Everyone wants to own the living room. Not some of it. All of it. Cablebox, movie player and streamer, game system, music system and even security system.

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_-EDMIX-_5028d ago

@Peekayboo- Agreed 100%

This is the stupidest thing i've seen all day. So MS is going to let you play your Steam games over 720? Stupid...just stupid.

I bet 3rd parties would LOVE that (not).

I think the person writing this needs to sit down and thing REALLY hard on why such a thing wouldn't work.

_-EDMIX-_5027d ago

LOL, its funny about the disagrees, yet no answer from any of um on why this would be a good idea business wise.

LOL! I think MS fans are just too damn dumb.

ATi_Elite5028d ago

"COULD" but WILL NOT!

Microsoft is a BIG hassle when it comes to 3rd parties trying to update and provide DLC. They charge you $1 every time you say "Xbox 720"!

Yukicore5027d ago (Edited 5027d ago )

Yeah, there could be also articles about Smartphone could boot PC games, Playstation Vita could boot PC games, a Potato could boot PC games... oh sorry, my bad... xD

Technically it really could, so would PS3, X360, but then we would see the true shitty components that are in the box, newest games would lag and have bad frame-rates even on lowest settings.

GUNS N SWORDS5028d ago (Edited 5028d ago )

Microsoft sanctioned the ability to develop apps for windows, zune, and xbox 360 years ago, and they continue to keep up with supporting the community.

This is probably one of the few ways Microsoft will boost the survival of the next xbox into the future generation. Microsoft owns the Operating system Not the pcs that run it, so there is no entitlement really for their software.

And as far as the next consoles holding back pcs, i think it isn't going to really matter anymore when games start running at 1080p native. On both pcs and consoles everything will look crystal clear.

I think Microsoft should focus more on integrating the two more then bridging it old school. It will be something new to see.

yabhero5027d ago

MS bothers me sometimes with some of their tactics...
that's why I'm going with WiiU, PS4 and PC as my next gen systems.

BABYLEG5027d ago

Haha.. you're so right. Who the hell does Microsoft think they are. How dare they plan the future of the Xbox and all their products. In fact, I'm with you.. I'm planning on buying sonys failed handheld later this month.. then once I have nothing to play on that, I'll be buying the wiiu because I've always wanted a next gen system to do the same as current gens. Can't wait to play that new side scrolling mario at launch. A game that can be on the 3ds is being released as a launch title for a home console.

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Yabhero, I'm not sure how old you are, but I don't think you have a clue on what Microsoft is doing.

yabhero5027d ago (Edited 5027d ago )

@BABYLEG
No doubt I'll play on a Xbox 720 too... But I don't need to deal with you. Anyone can read your comment and see your a fanboy
I don't own a Vita but the thing hasn't been out for a year yet... It hasn't failed
As for WiiU being current gen... Like I said, those are words of desperate fanboys
-bring on the disagrees N4G

SkyGamer5027d ago

Yeah but all companies use tactics. You don't blame sony for using the ps3 as a trojan horse for bluray forcing it down your throat and at a premium! If companies can get away with crap, they will. Doesn't matter who the company is...

DeadlyFire5027d ago

Only way this happens is if the games are 100% X720 to PC ports.

andrewsqual5027d ago

It makes more sense if we are talking about the "Games for Windows Live" range of games. So yeah all 10 games will be available on the Xbox 361 then.

adorie5027d ago

After reading some of the comments, not only here but around other forums of more notable nature, not to mention Newell and Carmack's opinion on Win 8;adding to the mix, I have been reading more into what Microsoft is trying to do and given how we have to pay for everything on Xbox 360, some times a premium, I am learning towards not supporting windows 8.

Windows 8 UI is horrible, to me.
I can't stand it, but I haven't used it too much so maybe my first impression is just not good and I need a 2nd try? What ever.

I think I am going to stick with Windows 7 for as long as I can, because Microsoft coerce people into the next Windows, by either fast tracking(ME) or pulling the plug on epic windows such as XP and going by their track record, windows 8 could be the next "Vista"

Getting back to my point..
I know more or less what they are up to here... they want to put their hold on the PC space and while that's not bad... I moved away from consoles because of the exclusivity crap, timed and other wise and I stopped playing Xbox Live because I felt the same experience minus the slick UI could be had else where for free.
Although this could be a hasted decision, I will keep an eye on things from both Microsoft and Valve

I don't want to fear monger anything and I know Valve or Gabe doesn't want to come out and say it, but I think I am seeing the industry start to look at Linux,more and more and if Valve can make that transition happen... oh-man. This could be not only a Titan of a win for the customer, the gamer or whatever you want to be called, it would also be a win for Developers.

Only time will tell, but that's my take on it.
I used to be for this. For Xbox making the transition to PC, but I see it as possibly a bad thing for us people who enjoy saving tons of money on games
and while competition is good.. I wonder if this type of competition would force Valve to mature into a true corporate entity.
T
he main reason I enjoy gaming on the Valve platform is because I know they are grounded individuals who interact with the community and don't act like shill-mouth pieces who are mostly elusive.
They're gamers who make games for gamers and they have tons of partners with good games, Steam sales and such..

sorry, I'll shut up now.

ps: inb4 TLDR;

the bastards5027d ago

So if this is true Microsoft just upgraded pc gaming to 50 gb blu-ray discs.

.........that doesn't sound to me like xbox will be holding back pcs. this looks to me like a win win situation. to have a console/pc hybrid would rock!

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h311rais3r5028d ago

Um. Nope. Unless you want them to look aweful and run aweful when the system is outdated 6 months after release

Hufandpuf5028d ago (Edited 5028d ago )

This is stupid. that would not work because most PC games are not optimized for a controller. Just imagine playing ARMA 2 with an xbox controller.

Also, physical PC game disc are now obsolete and hard to find, not to mention putting homebrew hacks onto a disc thus making hacking in multiplayer games even easier

tachy0n5028d ago

MotionJoy and Xpadder say hi.

HammadTheBeast5028d ago

ARMA uses more than 30 different mapped controls. Good luck finding a controller like that.

tee_bag2425027d ago

@ HammadTheOne

You can do button combinations with Xpadder.
Ie. Hold LB and press another button.

Regardless no one really wants to do that and ARMA is probably one of the worst games for a pad.
Day Z though, doesn't require so many keys and there isn't a whole lot of gunplay. I find it really suited to a pad.

dcbronco5026d ago

Hammad I think you're forgetting about SmartGlass. A second screen with touch could be used for programmable buttons. It seems a lot of the issues people are bringing up are things that MS might have already thought out. By making all devices compatible just about any potential issues are easy to solve. Hell, they could even make it so that the 720 could stream the game to a low-end PC and you use that mouse and keyboard.

We're moving into new territory. People have to let go of old issues because they don't seem as much like obstacles anymore.

tee_bag2425027d ago

I'm playing DayZ with an XBOX controller (using Xpadder).
Its Absolutely beautiful if you know how to set it up properly. I hook my PC up to my TV so thats why I use a pad.
And yes I'm at a disadvantage, but its worth it.

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Ben_Grimm5028d ago

I am definitely open to this idea. Many times I see some PC games that i would love to try but my current PC just can't handle.

Can't wait to see what the NxtBox has in store for us.

Frenza5028d ago

What are the spec on your PC if I may ask?

Most PC games does not require anything special since the release of the current gen consoles are holding most mainstream games back. My old gtx 285 had no problems running games. Upgraded to a GTX 670 since I wanted to play on ultra in BF3 without the framedrops ;D

Ontopic: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I LET ME BE LOCKED DOWN BY MICROSOFT. I own a PC since it is an open platform. I do however also own a 360 and a ps3, but that is only for some exclusives and this is my hobby after all.

Info is on my profile page :d

Ben_Grimm5028d ago

Dude, my PC at home is over 10+ years old. I have less than 300 megs of RAM. It has been through hell and back and can barely run an 80's personal webpage with the glitter background without taking a dump.

I basically use it to dl torrents since I have 300 gigs of space.

Shadonic5028d ago

if we could get some mods going i would love that >.>

sjaakiejj5027d ago

"PC games that i would love to try but my current PC just can't handle. "

The next Xbox would have the same problem 6 months down the line. (Probably even before that).

Microsoft is not opening Xbox for PC games regardless though, so it's really quite pointless to think about anyway..

SKUD5028d ago

Im all for day dreaming but eventually we must wake up.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn217d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn216d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac16d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger16d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde16d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7518d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_15d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.