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Differences between Wii U and next-gen Xbox 720, PS4 won't be 'as drastic' as current generation

It's easy to look at the Nintendo Wii and see the graphical inferiority it has to other current gen consoles like the Xbox 360 or PS3. Gameplay experience aside, the Wii wasn't able to keep up with either consoles' graphical capabilities causing the Wii to be excluded from many multiplatform software that released for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

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MariaHelFutura5075d ago

I always think these articals are written by crazy Nintendo fanboys. Technology has grown a lot, the difference will be substantial and that all good... Nintendo did fine this gen being far behind technologically.

PopRocks3595075d ago

I get what you're saying, but what exactly does that have to do with this article in particular?

victorGma215075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

Looking at the rumours (if true), WiiU has a modern architeture and GPU, which will make it have decent ports/remakes (it won't be like the Wii situation again). WiiU obviously won't be on par with x720/PS4, but it won't look bad graphically.

I don't think developers will spend a lot of money with games so don't expect multiplatforms to look very different, but exclusive games like God of War, Uncharted, Gears of War, etc will probably show a huge difference.

Microsoft is really obsessed with the new Kinect and Sony lost something around 5~6 billions, and they are also expecting to have a big loss this year. I don't believe they will have a high end hardware, but probably more powerful than the WiiU (just not a huge leap).

PoSTedUP5075d ago

the difference this gen was ridiculous (a ps2 compared to a ps3).

even if next gen is not as much as a difference as this gen, IT STILL COULD BE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

nintendo has to realize they were a full step behind last gen. the wii U looks as if it's going to be a PS3 and 1/3rd imo

joab7775075d ago

Wait until the unreal engine 4 or the luminous engine are used on new console and are then ported to the wiiU. It will be drastic. And Nintendo has already mentioned That's it's online will never catch up so Imagine the gap there.

BitbyDeath5075d ago

I agree with Maria, it shouldn't matter if Nintendo find themselves with the same disadvantages technology wise. Nintendo make unique games that you cannot find anywhere else, this alone lets them stand out from the pack.

Nintendo fanboys are their own worst enemy.

nukeitall5075d ago

It makes sense, the gap won't matter as much anymore primarily because we are quickly hitting a ceiling where increase in technology, does not translate to increase in "new" experiences. Before there were games you couldn't make, because the console was too slow, but now a days even on an Xbox360/PS3 there are practically very few games you can't make.

A downgraded port to Wii U won't be a problem!

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney5075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

Seriously though. Even if wiiU is like an xbox 360 do you expect Sony and Microsoft to not make a system that can't compete with wiiU's price? As obsessed as Microsoft is with the casual success that wii had I don't expect them to make something that can't compete with wiiU's price.

This is not about harcore gaming this is about business.
Unless Microsoft and sony are willing to take a huge loss again(and I especially don't see Sony doing it right now) Don't expect a huge leap.

"Wii U is more like Xbox 360" - Microsoft
http://www.examiner.com/art...

If Microsoft really believes this then they might feel less inclined to make something super high end.

imo...

Soldierone5075d ago

They also have developers sitting there saying they will not use consoles if they don't update them. No matter what they also have gamers sitting there asking "why should I "upgrade""

The price point won't be set by Nintendo, it will be set by MS or Sony. That being said it wont be outrageous either. Sony isn't developing a new disc format, blu-ray will keep costs down, and the newest graphics cards are not too expensive to make.

MS MIGHT go cheap, but I doubt Sony will be happy with it. Look at the Vita.

DaPrintz5075d ago

Before E3, many nintendo fans on this site claimed that WiiU would be 6 to 7 times as powerful as 360/ps3. When that didn't appear to be the case, comments on this site changed. MS/Sony apparently won't have much of an upgrade next gen. Reasons like price compared to WiiU, price to develop for, so and so losing money etc. I personally don't believe any of that. Nextbox/ps4 are not launching this year. Why are people talking about the next consoles from MS/Sony as if they're being manufactured as we speak with today's top of the line shit under the hood. The ps3/360 with a price drop will dominate this holiday. Who's to say they even need to release next holiday? I believe they will launch when they can outclass the WiiU at a $400 to $500 launch price. Everything will depend on the success of the WiiU. If it can hold its own against the 360/ps3, we may see those new consoles sooner rather then later. I don't think that either will have anything but a real next gen leap though. Besides Gamecube to Wii, it has never happened.

joab7775075d ago

ErIf Sony and Microsoft don't take a huge leap, there won't b consoles anymore. PC will dominate gaming. I can speak for myself and many of my friends. We r waiting for the price and specs. If they are minor, we r jumping ship. And developers won't wait around. If they don't get what they want, they will build for the pc. There must b a leap. If Xbox is looking at 4-6 cores, it will b significant.

Persistantthug5075d ago

Just as the VITA is.

Also, this is exactly why I don't want a PS4 any earlier than holiday 2014. Because if we wait, then we can get good hardware that will be able to last and do well through 2022 or so.

I'm thinking something along the lines of an ATI 7950 or possibly a 7970. One of those GPUs would definitely be doable and possible come 2014 at mass production levels.

As the old saying goes:
"THE BEST THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

:)

ABizzel15075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

Actually the article is pretty much spot on. The PS3 and 360 left the Wii in their dust technology-wise.

While the Wii-U will be inferior, it won't be by as much as the previous gen.

The Wii was Gamecube 1.5. The Wii-U is rumored to be Xbox / PS3 1.5

If the rumored Xbox 8 specs. from the 54 page leaked document are true and the Xbox 8 is only 4 - 6x more powerful than the 360, then the difference between Wii-U and Xbox 8 won't be as drastic as many Xbox fans expect. Words can't explain it well, so here's some pis. to try to help.

Here are some pics. of Drake from Uncharted 1, 2, and 3. Imagine the Wii-U as Uncharted 1, well the difference in the Xbox 8 would be Uncharted 3. But while the Wii U runs Uncharted 1 graphics at 720p 30fps, the Xbox 8 will run Uncharted 3+ graphics at 1080p 60fps with bigger environments, more details and textures, and much better lighting. So there will be a visual difference, just not Wii vs Xbox 360 big of a difference.

http://cloud.mmgn.com.s3.am...

http://www.nxus.co/wp-conte...

http://fc06.deviantart.net/...

http://download.gamezone.co...

As for the PS4, Sony's consoles are generally 10x more powerful than the previous console, and if the rumored specs. just announced are anything to go by then the PS4 will be the most powerful console visually, and possibly 10x more powerful than the PS4, meaning the jump between Wii U and PS4 will be noticeable. But the jump between PS4 and Xbox 8 will be similar to Wii-U compared to Xbox 8.

If all this is true then 3rd party devs. are going to have their work cut out for them. They have to build a PC version possible DX12 capable Ultra settings, a PS4 version with 1080 High settings, a Xbox 8 version 1080p Medium settings, and a Wii-U version 720p / 1080p low settings. This kind of segregation will be interesting, and possibly destructive for the industry.

The rumored specs. for the PS4 are:

Steamroller APU
HD7000's series (most likely HD7950 $350, the others are 7970 $450, 7970Ghz $500, 7990 at least $700)
2GB - 4GB of RAM (I thought they'd use 8GB of RAM)

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smashcrashbash5075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

Why does everyone keep taking what he said to heart? Of course Iwata would say this. If the next PlayStation and Xbox are much more powerful then the Wii U then many people will ignore or drop it to buy them.What do you expect him to say? 'My competitors will have a more powerful then my current console but buy mine anyway until you might want to sell it'?

Technological advancement gets faster every year. What makes him think that the next jump isn't around the corner or that Sony and Microsoft don't have something cooking? I have seen a video with Sony working on technology that can create AR images that fill a whole room with a tropical jungle and make images of people sitting right next to you. How is Nintendo planning to top that if they have it ready for the next console? He is the competition. He will say anything if it gets him more sales. He doesn't know the specs of either system but is already certain they won't have much of a difference

PopRocks3595075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

That's a fine and dandy theory. But that's really all it is in the end. A theory.

The fact is we can't know anything about the gap between the Wii U and its real competition until those consoles come out. Nintendo does not know their specs and they don't know the Wii U's either. Neither do you.

Now a handful of well-known developers have suggested that the Wii U has very modern hardware. We already know it has a CPU that eclipses what was in previous HD game consoles.

Its competitors can either go the max (which is what I expect Sony to do) and go with the graphical standard on PCs at the time of its release, or they can make a weaker console in the name of a gimmick (which is what I expect Microsoft to do). Microsoft, I think, will focus especially on Kinect and SmartGlass while Sony will focus on those things after cranking up the specs.

So I speculate (see that word speculate over there? Remember it) that Nintendo's in an either/or situation. It can go either way with its competitors. And to be frank, particularly with Microsoft's next console, the gap will not be that large, especially since it's only a year or two away, as oppose to the six or seven that the Wii U had against the predecessors of those consoles.

Hicken5075d ago

It's ALL theory, until these systems come out.

I don't think there'll be as big a gap as there was this generation, but it's entirely possible for the latecomers to be superior to the first system on the market, even if only by a little.

victorGma215075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

@smashcrashbash
Unfortunately that's not how it works in practice because you have things like:
-Higher production costs (Take Two lost at least 25M with Max Payne 3, and it's a big dev, can you imagine some small/medium devs?)
-Higher hardware price
-Higher software price
-Lower profit
-Big losses (sony already lost a lot of money with the PS3 and they are expecting to lose even more money this year)

Etc etc.

Maybe people is playing too much PC games and they forgot how the console market works.

@Hicken
You are completely right but the original xbox1 was 3~4x more powerful than the PS2 and it had a much more modern GPU.

kikizoo5075d ago

3X4X ? not on screen...(on screen it was : ps3>>>>>>wii , xbox>ps2 for comparison)

by the way, wiiu is just on par with ps3/360 multiplatforms graphics(inferior to ps3 exclusives), so it's not hard to understand that sony and even microsoft will have much more powerfull consoles than wiiuu next gen (probably the same gap than wii vs ps3)

***stop spreading stupid things with ps3 profits, they are winning ton of cash with it now (hardware and games : more than competition + psn games + don't forget blurays),

victorGma215075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

@kikizoo
WHAT THE HELL?????????????? I was talking about the original xbox1 against the original PS2! I said nothing about the PS3, are you crazy? Are you on drugs or drunk?

Here is a comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And yes, xbox1 was at least 3~4x more powerful than the PS2 but it was nothing really important because PS2 had much more support and decent graphics.

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--Onilink--5075d ago (Edited 5075d ago )

i dont see whats so hard to understand about his comments...

1st he said this in comparison to the diference between Wii and 360/PC, which was so big, 3rd party developers couldnt just downgrade the game graphically, they had to use completely diferent engines. Nintendo might not be using a GTX690 for the WiiU, but its still using a powerful card and a powerful CPU, the fact that current WiiU games in development, launch games in fact, look as good as games so late in the 360/PS3 cycle, while also displaying something else in the 480p display, should be proof enough of that. And if not, why not just take comments from developers who have already said its powerful.

Basically the point is simple, Sony and MS might come out with more powerful machines, but the diference wont be as big as before, most 3rd party devs will be able to launch "downgraded" versions (graphically) in the WiiU, just as you can have diferent graphics in a PC game.

He is not saying this to compare specs with machines that are not even out, he is just saying the WiiU is powerful enough, to not lose 3rd party support like what happened with the Wii

iNFAMOUZ15075d ago

i honestly believe wii u will fail, you know why? the name. People will think its just an add on

yabhero5075d ago

Just like people thought 3DS was just a new DS system /sarcasm

WeskerChildReborned5075d ago

Wow, yea you do got a point but those people probably wouldn't even care enough to get a Wii U if they thought it was an add on. I'm personally excited for it.

--Onilink--5075d ago

its all about marketing, just because you keep the brand name, means people will get confused. They just need to deliver a clear message.

Im sure people were pretty sure that the iphone 3, 3G and 3GS were not the same thing. Why apple knows how to show their products and let people see the diferences

jay25075d ago

Of cause the bloody top man will make those kind of claims.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay32d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn232d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay32d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay32d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Pixels in the Blood: The Journey of Rob Hewson

The name "Hewson" carries a special weight for anyone who grew up during the golden age of British computing. As the son of Andrew Hewson—the man behind legendary publisher Hewson Consultants—Rob Hewson didn't just grow up playing video games; he learned to spell his name from their title screens. However, Rob didn't just rest on his family's 8-bit laurels. From leading major LEGO franchises at TT Games to tackling the high-stakes world of technical porting at Huey Games, Rob has carved out a unique path in an ever-evolving industry. In this candid interview Rob to discussed the burden and beauty of a family legacy, the technical "scar tissue" left by the ambitious Hydrophobia, and why porting a masterpiece like Inscryption to consoles is far more than a simple copy-paste job.

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The top 10 best Super Mario games ranked

NE: "We rank the 10 best main series Super Mario games in celebration of the recent MAR10 Day with 2D and 3D included."

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Agent7561d ago

Best 2D, Mario World, best 3D, Mario 64. Can't say there's been a bad one, although Mario World 2 wasn't a true sequel. The Mario Land games were good (not the first one) and also Wario Land. I thought after Mario 64, Mario 3D World was excellent.