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Video game graphics outpace console hardware

Some PC graphics cards are now as much as 24 times more powerful than current console cards, so you can expect a huge amount from the next generation of consoles expected in late 2013 or early 2014.

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DwightOwen5065d ago

Too bad "hardcore gamers" don't have the money to pay for them...

NastyLeftHook05065d ago

these graphics blew me away more than anything........

DwightOwen5065d ago

Sony is INFAMOUS (no pun intended) for showing off pre-rendered movies instead of actual gameplay (KillZone 2, FFVII Tech Demo, Beyond, TLoU, etc.).

I went PC about a year ago, and I NEVER touch my consoles now except for exclusives.

Believe me when I say there is NOTHING Sony or Microsoft can show that will impress me, graphics-wise.

2pacalypsenow5065d ago

@DwightOwen You do know that's what tech demos are right?

NastyLeftHook05065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

sony is infamous for not showing off prerendered movies.

and you do know the last of us was gameplay dude.

you cannot deny it. its a fact of life, i know the graphics were unbelievable and probably blew you away but those were real graphics.

TheLyonKing5065d ago

@DwightOwen you do know that it wasn't sony but square who released the ff 7 tech demo, which wasn't meant to be game play but show what a pre-rendered scence would like like on the ps3 at the time.

noctrnl135065d ago

@DwightOwen

Killzone 2 ended up looking better except for some particle effects

Beyond was gameplay footage

TLOU was gameplay footage

FFVII tech demo was released by square and was never stated to be in game.

I game on PC and it is amazing but you have to respect what sony was doing on consoles. KZ2 looked amazing when it came out, so did uncharted, and God of War. For 6 year old tech they're doing pretty amazing things.

tdogg060519915065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

Clearly you did not see gameplay and BTW it looks far better http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Oh yea the game takes place over a Frackin lifetime just sayin

SilentNegotiator5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

@Dwight
[--] ------> Trolling

Last of Us was gameplay. Nice try.

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StraightPath5065d ago

consoles are outdated holding back pc games. PC is years ahead of consoles. The graphics consoles produce are nothing to PC.

SocksAreForYourFeet5065d ago

Dude the money to make those games come from the consoles.

beerkeg5065d ago

@SocksAreForYourFeet

Did The Witcher 2 come from console money?

miyamoto5065d ago

how about in the game design and game play department?

Persistantthug5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

The Witcher 2 also can be played on Walmart'ish PCs btw.

Just sayin.

EDIT IN....

Also, beerkeg, I didn't realise that what I said to you yesterday upset you so bad that you blocked me. Seems childish to get so upset over a strictly a video game topic.

noctrnl135065d ago

The Witcher 2 cannot be played on walmart PCs. You can play high end games on low end equipment if you sacrifice all the graphical fidelity and play at a super low resolution.

The witcher 2 still would not run on a walmart-ish computer because integrated graphics or low end gfx cards would simply black out once the game loaded.

Ducky5065d ago

^ Err, I don't think running a game at the lowest settings, in sub-HD and sub-30fps is much of an argument since those games are considered unplayable.

If you're going to those depths, then there aren't exactly a whole lot of PC games that can't be played like that.
It's just that, not many people would be able to enjoy it.

noctrnl135065d ago

Lol sure running on 800x600 res I said you could do it if you ran it in ancient resolutions with everything disabled or set to low. The game is unplayable in that state, but you know what it did run so I'll give you that.

Again like I said if you sacrifice all of the graphical fidelity and the bells and whistles that are exclusive to PC then sure you could get it to run horribly.

If I was going to go to the trouble of spending 60 bucks on a game I wouldn't play it in a convoluted mess on a walmart pc (why you would buy a walmart pc to game is beyond me). If that's how you want to play your games with uneven framerates and horrific graphical fidelity then by all means enjoy them.

N4g_null5065d ago

"^ Err, I don't think running a game at the lowest settings, in sub-HD and sub-30fps is much of an argument since those games are considered unplayable. "

Isn't that what all ps3 games do but you guys love it???

SilentNegotiator5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

A lot of once PC-only developers have abandoned the practice for a reason: it doesn't yield the sales figures that they want.

Consoles are absolutely ****NOT**** "holding back" PCs, because they aren't making enough money by catering to just PC, and definitely aren't by catering just to high end PCs.

Go to Happy Kool-aid Imagination Land if you want to live in a world where developers can afford to make massive games catered towards higher end PCs. Otherwise, we'll be back on Earth. Don't forget to write!

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StayStatic5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

What you talking about Willis, "hardcore gamers" always find a way to get the latest kit and the hardest games are usually on PC whether you like it or not , you can't argue the facts.

Yes Demon Souls I know I have it , its awesome and hard but still I could name much harder games if that's how you are defining hardcore.

Don't really see how playing GTA for several hours makes you hardcore , just a waste of time finding pointless collectables after the main story.

srcBFMVBMTH5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

No "hardcore gamers" always try and find a way to play as much games as they can lol. Not stick to only one game for months.

Don't really see how playing World of Warcraft makes you hardcore. It's as pointless as Angry Birds.

StayStatic5065d ago

@srcbfmvbmth

I see what you mean but someone playing mobile games non stop you wouldn't refer to as hardcore right ? :)

I'm looking from the angle of the guy who macros his army in RTS Vs the guy who fire birds at funny shaped pigs and other casual mobile games xD

yabhero5065d ago

I'd say a hardcore gaming is anyone who loves games, is dedicated to playing hard, fun games and tries a lot of different kinds.

brettyd5065d ago

@dwightowen speak for yourself.

avengers19785064d ago

top end video cards on new egg 400$, top end graphics cards 200$
Thats alot of coin for slightly better graphics on the same games (pretty much)

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KeiserSosay47885065d ago

@DwightOwen
Actually most "hardcore gamers" are willing to shell out a few hundred dollars for a new console every few years. The way I see it is that when "Next-Gen" consoles come out at anywhere between 400-600 bucks I'll be spending LESS money on another graphics card that will outperform those. That is, if I'm even feeling the effects of being left behind at all. I'm just going to get another GTX 570 and call it a day because I'm almost positive that the newer Xbox and Playstation won't be outperforming SLI 570's.

CommonSenseGamer5065d ago

I have not been a PC gamer for years but am turning back onto the idea. The PS3 when it first hit NZ was around $1400NZD. Can actually build a pretty good upgradable gaming rig for less but the added bonus is that its also useful as a PC.

I have tired of consoles being positioned as so called media hubs when they don't support a lot of todays media formats.

younglj015065d ago

umm yes we know the PS3 was expensive when it was first release.But not anymore so why keep bringing up the past.Maybe the reason some video formats are not on consoles is probably because of some type of patent.

I dont know what console you have but mine can show about any/all websites or videos I decide too visit.

KeiserSosay47885065d ago

You should man! I turned back 2 years ago and it was definitely a good decision. Steam helps too, ya know:)...but yeah, it does everything my 360 and PS3 did except MUCH MUCH better.

@younglj01
While I agree, that the PS3 IS inexpensive the price of buying games is through the roof on consoles. The prices start too high, are uniform for almost all games, and don't drop in price fast enough (comparatively speaking). Also, I used my PS3 for browsing the internet and tried to justify it but the fact remains that even my CELL PHONE browses the internet better than my PS3 EVER has.

N4g_null5065d ago

Gtx 690 are selling for $1200... Incoming!!!! They are selling out also! The unreal engine runs on gtx 680s.... Nothing lower yet, maybe it will in a few years or maybe this spring wink!

younglj015065d ago

Beyond:Two Souls is the standard of gaming today.After watching the 23 min real-time gameplay I was blown away at the detail of the game.When she was running through the woods was very realistic looking.

If Sony just tease the demo at the end of their conference I would have bet it was a prototype IP for the PS4.And even with showing off Beyond Quantum Dreams still want too work on the PS3 for 5 more years.Thats saying alot about the untap power the PS3 have.

Just saying even though the PC have better graphics there are not that many developers using it.Think about an Naughty Dog or Quantum Dream exclusive PC title would look like?

beerkeg5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

Naughty Dog couldn't handle pc. They prefer a system that is set in stone.

That's not a knock on their game making ability, but having to concentrate on one system is much easier than making a game for many systems.

-Gespenst-5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

I couldn't be less excited for Beyond Two Souls, Quantic Dream are THE most overrated developers ever and I just don't see what's so special about that game. It's just going to be another "mature" "moody" game that treats it's themes in a really immature way, complete with really dodgy voice work.

That said I like David Cage's design philosophy with the whole game over thing. The idea that if you fail the game just goes in another direction. More games should do that.

Bloodraid5064d ago

Your comment brilliant outlines the ignorance of the general populous of this website.

Everyone on this website pretends they're experts on software development, when it's painfully obvious that most haven't even the faintest idea how to write even a basic "Hello World" program (and I would assume a great majority don't even know what that is).

The reason that developers focus on consoles so much is because of how much easier it is to develop for. When you don't have to constantly fuss over things like how many bits are in an int, or how much ram the machine has available, much of the dirty work in development is absent.

This is why consoles will always be closed-source, restricted pieces of hardware that I have little interest in anymore. The PC version will almost always be superior to the console version, and if not, there's always user-made patches that will make it superior.

Bladesfist5064d ago

I develop software and you are completely wrong. Developing for console is much harder as you must talk to Sony and Microsoft and hope they give you the SDK. "When you don't have to constantly fuss over things like how many bits are in an int" yes you do. Memory limitations are even worse on console so you fuss about it more. "much of the dirty work in development is absent." Actually I don't spend much time fussing over anything as I don't have many limitations to worry about when developing for the PC

Bloodraid5064d ago

After reading your comment, there are only two conclusions I can come to.

1. You completely misread my comment.
2. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm willing to put my money on the latter though.

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Your first point is absolutely ridiculous. Claiming that the actual software development process is more difficult because you need permission to do so is probably the single most moronic thing I've seen on this thread.

You're obviously clueless regarding my point about datatype sizes, as you're talking about something completely different (which I will get to in a moment). I was referring to the fact that the size of datatypes vary from machine to machine on PC, while they remain constant on consoles.

You bring up that consoles have less RAM than PCs as though this somehow helps your case, when in reality it's just more ammo for me to use against you. What you fail to realize is that the amount of RAM is consistent from machine to machine on consoles. This eliminates the need to write multiple code paths based on the amount of RAM you have available.

In summary, consoles are far easier to develop for because the specs of each machine are identical to those of another machine. PC programs need to be far more complex in order to account for differences in each machine (such as rendering capabilities [OpenGL & DirectX] versions).

Now please; stop with your nonsensical arguments. Its painfully obvious to anyone with even a hint of programming knowledge that you're just bluffing.

WeskerChildReborned5065d ago

I'm already amazed at how good Last of Us look's on the PS3. It make's me wonder what PS4 ganes will look like.

-Gespenst-5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

You definitely pay more upgrading your PC for ten years than you do buying a new console every 10 years. I just don't have the money to stay on top of the PC game. Seems like only rich kids and people who do nothing but use computers can afford it. I have other interests, I can't be pumping all my money into a PC.

Plus I just kind of prefer consoles, they're so much more stable. PCs games always have all sorts of technical bugs and compatibility issues. Console games just run right out of the box and don't bluescreen because of some anomalous error. You get the full game on a console, whereas on a PC, a lot of the time you can't even run a game at full settings, and so you get shortchanged a lot unless you have some monster PC. Yeah the game is probably a superior version on PC (ie Crysis 2) but most people probably get shortchanged because their pc can't actually manage the gamee at full settings. Consoles get what's on the disc, nothing more nothing less.

I'm not anti-pc btw, nor am I a console elitist, I'm just arguing that for some people, myself probably included, a console is understandably preferable. I wish I had an amazing PC, but I'd probably never upgrade it over the years because of the costs and so it's just the same as buying a non-upgradable console (as all consoles are).

Treian5065d ago

Who upgrades a PC every 10 years? LOL. Getting a new graphics card every 2 years only costs around $200 if wait for the right price drop. A PC is better in the long run money wise.

-Gespenst-5065d ago

I said upgrading FOR 10 years. So a graphics card every 2 years over the space of 10 years = $1000 by your calculations. Add that to the actual PC and other upgrades and you're probably shelling out well over 2000, even more for games unless you pirate everything, in fact in total you must pay over 3000 eventually.

Console = a once off payment of like 500-600 every 10 years. How much you spend on games depends on a lot of things. But on average expenses on all things console probably come to about 1600.

ninjahunter5065d ago

Its not as bad if you have a job. Even minimum wage, you can resell your parts when you upgrade and if your building a desktop, its not particularly expensive.

CaptCalvin5065d ago

Built my PC back in around 2009 for $800 and havn't upgraded since. You just have to know what to focus on when you're building a PC. Plus it's a PC so I need one anyway. Runs BF3 maxed out smoothly without overclocking.

You don't have to be "top of the game" to run all the latest games.

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted5h ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8546m ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Athlon1014h ago(Edited 4h ago)

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Lexreborn23h ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers58m ago(Edited 56m ago)

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Profchaos23m ago(Edited 20m ago)

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

blacktiger21m ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent751d 3h ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.