I wonder about Microsoft though. The past 3yrs, everyone has expected their E3s to be dominating exclusive game/features paloozas, that (in reality) are pretty underwhelming and show the change of focus from games to everything else. Next year will be interesting.

I hate books. Wonderbook is no different. Give me dual shock + PS4 I am satisfied.

Awesome! Bring up the one thing that sucked to combat the three years of Kinect focus. Good on you, DeadlyFire!

Shaman I agree with everything you have just said and I have been saying it for a long time that when MS came into the console business it was to make a hub for games, music and videos as a replacement for the media centre.

I really like what MS have done with the 360 this gen. Yes they have given us various Dashboard's and Apps but imo each one has got better and better.

I am a core gamer and games always come 1st for me but ide rather have 1 device under my tv that will do everything that several to do different things.

This is the only gen where I have owned 2 of the same console (2 360's and 2 PS3's) as I use them in our room as a media hub and to paly games on in my room as well as the front room.

I also think there is still another 12 to 18 months left in both the 360 and PS3 looking at some of the games on both consoles at E3.

I am also getting fed up with people saying that the 360 has too many casual games. I don't think this is true at all. If I look at my collection of core games on the 360 there are more than enough for every core gaming type but what people now need to start thinking is that we need Sony, Micrsoft and Nintendo to make casual games because this is there next gen of core gamers they need to bring onto there consoles and what is wrong with Playing games like Dance Central, Kinect Sports, Wii Sports, Eye Pet ect with the family? Games consoles are for everyone not just the core.

I agree with you both, 360 is a good media mub, which is why it's ridiculous the 360 still doesn't play .mkv files! (at least last time I checked it didn't...should probably check if they've pacthed it.) It's crazy that I don't use it to watch films, but that's because I only want to watch films in hi-def, and most hi-def films I download are in the .mkv format. Having said that, maybe I'd rather not watch films through the 360, not with the horrific noise my XBox slim makes at times :P

I remember when the PS3 released, how Microsoft LAUGHED at Sony because they said that the PS3 wasn't a gaming machine but, an Entertainment Center instead. NOW look how the tables have turned and who's at the bottom concerning games lol

LOL. good job aawell you left the tool speechless. Anyone can be a troll. Next time express yourself in a better way.'

Girls, girls, take it easy.

Thanks for the heads up..

Which, in itself, points for next-gen in 2014, probably holiday. If you finish/release your current gen projects 'till the end of 2013 you gonna need at least a year before releasing anything else.

Considering that it's a new hardware, which may be at least a little more demanding to learn, and the step up in graphics may consume more time than current gen graphics...

I would say most major devs are planning to expend at least two years for this new games, if they start by 2013, games will start to show by 2015, in the first year of the new console's life cycle.

If publishers were saying that instead of developers than it would mean next-gen by 2013, but that's not the case.

This absolutely true - except you're missing one thing.

The people who are now out-numbering us gamer - the ones who want consoles to be "entertainment boxes" - they AREN'T going to buy Next-Gen hardware Day1. They aren't the ones who are going to wait outside at midnight to get their hands on the newest piece of hardware.

That is why the companies, for their own interest, will have to re-focus on hardcore-gaming at launch. Hardcore launch-titles are going to matter the most, and not which platform has the most media-apps.

@ApolloAdams

like it or not we need the casual market + more.

Larger userbase -> less financial risk for game publishers/developers -> Takes chance on new IP's instead of sequel after sequel

@ Battletorn

And this is the problem.
Again we won't know which console we have to buy at the beginning of the Next Gen.
360 started great with a lot of stuff and now it has no games.
I bought 3 360s that are just paperweight CAUSE i HATE Failo,Gears and Call of Duty.
I bought the console for Games like Kameo,Dead or Alive 4,all the J-RPGs and better Multiplats...All that isn't there anymore on the 360.

But the PS3 grew stronger with every year.
At the day Uncharted came Sony turned tables for MY taste of gaming.
They also got nearly every developer they lost back to their side.
J-RPG Devs favor the PS3 - Stuff like Dead or Alive 5 will be better on the PS3.Games like Dark Souls were better on the PS3 and so on.
Nearly every Multiplat i care about and ISN'T on PC is BETTER on PS3(FF13(-2),Vanquish(they changed to the PS3 after the Bayonetta disaster),Dead or ALive 5,Ninja Gaiden 3(game is crap i know),LA Noire and so on.
Every other Multiplat is better on PC of course if available(Skyrim,Battlefield 3,AssaCreed 3 and the PS3 Version is also better than the 360 version) and so on.

I mean i had a great time in the first 2 years of the 360 but after that it was all about 3-4 Franchises no REAL Gamer cares about cause they are just yearly updated.

M$ should say now what they plan to do with the Nextbox...
Cause if this repeats i won't buy one before this thing is as cheap as the 360 is now.
Cause i rather buy the PS4 this time at first cause a slow start with tons of great exclusives over the years is better than a rush out and no games for 4 years(Remember i have a gaming PC and hate Halo,Gears and CoD.Neither do i need Kinect and such Star Wars dancing crap)

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Should totally click that link, man.

I like how they said MS, Sony and Nintendo, yet you only got really defensive of Microsoft.

When you say "the biggest hardcore games in the industry", are you talking about the two exclusives, Gears and Halo? Or all the other multiplatform games?

Then proceeded to say that "the others simply showed the games that will be at the next e3" ....which was idiotic if you're talking about Sony because all of their announced games are scheduled to release before E3 next year. Not sure about Nintendo.

'Then proceeded to say that "the others simply showed the games that will be at the next e3" ....which was idiotic if you're talking about Sony because all of their announced games are scheduled to release before E3 next year.'

Wait WHO is being idiotic when YOU literally just made up a 'fake' schedule for games that NEVER had a release date.

Sony kept it real and said God of War, Last of Us arent coming close to coming in 2012. Beyond WILL be at subsequent E3s..maybe the next two.

Naughty Dog always said that Last of Us potentially would show up in the first quarter of 2012.

Heres the dilemna, do they push Last of Us or God of War into the old Killzone slot in March/April when GTA 5 and a slew of other games may arrive at the same time.

Either way, what does Sony release this holiday that even comes cloase to the caliber of those games? All we can hope for is that Last Guardian shows up at Tokyo. But, Sony just admitted that there were issues with the game which is why it hasnt been shown.

Evil

That's what i was about to say. Why the hell would you switch from the ps3 to the 360 to watch movies?

True, although I use my 360 for HBO Go, Amazon Prime and Netflix, and switch to my standalone Bluray player for that media.

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".