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Doctors are trialling Kinect in keyhole surgery.

Doctors in London are trialling "touchless" technology, often used in TV games, to help them carry out delicate keyhole surgery.

GribbleGrunger5099d ago (Edited 5099d ago )

yeah, course they are. they'll probably put the 360 next to the machine that goes 'ping'

is every single article that pertains to touchless controls going to be associated with Kinect from now on? why not associate it with PSeye? or Eyetoy? the connection is so thin that they might as well do that

it's NOT frickin Kinect for goodness sake

Cajun Chicken5099d ago

Actually, it is the Kinect device. I saw it on BBC news earlier today.

LostDjinn5099d ago

That's terrifying. With and accuracy of +/- 4cm I think I'd rather just blindfold the surgeon and ask them to use the force. At least that way I'd be in with a chance of success.

GoldenGamer5099d ago

Yeah, saw it this morning. GribbleGrunger you complete tool.

TheModernKamikaze5099d ago

they used the kinect, read the article.
One of the reasons they don't use keyboard and mouse is because they have to touch non-sterile equipment, thus, kinect.

GribbleGrunger5099d ago (Edited 5099d ago )

this guy has just been handed the word Kinect and he's unwittingly running with it. it's not Kinect for goodness sake. show me the 360 and Kinect in that picture. this tech has been around for years and years as we PS2 owners can attest. it's making a connection between the tech and Kinect. Kinect is not the tech itself. it has a dumbed down version of what this tech can do if used with a computer

and what's worse is that the headline makes it look like there actually using it in keyhole surgery! i'm not knocking Kinect... just be real

mcstorm5099d ago

GribbleGrunger the PSEye is not the same as Kinect. They work in different ways.

GoldenGamer5099d ago

GribbleGrunger, I saw it on the news this morning. It most certainly did look like a Kinect and they had an interview with a Microsoft employee on the subject...

iamnsuperman5099d ago

loving the reference for the machine that goes ping.

It sounds like it is being used as a photo imagery thing and not the actual surgery which makes sense.

AtomicGerbil5099d ago

Cajun Chicken is correct, it was on the BBC news. The Kinect camera is just below the right hand screen in the picture.

I'd just like to add though that I disagree with using Kinect as there are far cheaper alternatives, considering the state of funding with the NHS.

TheModernKamikaze5099d ago

"But with the Kinect I'm able to get the position that I want quickly - and also without me having to handle non-sterile things like a keyboard or mouse during the procedure." - Article

also Flatbattery is right.

cstyle5099d ago

Somebody's jealous...lol PSeye is near death and eyetoy has already died. This is one of the reasons why primesense went with MS. This is one of the ways they envisioned that their technology would be used one day. This would of never happened with sony because they only wanted to use it with PS. MS shares their vision on how this technology will become the future. of coures a little money to go with it doesn't hurt either....lol

AtomicGerbil5099d ago

Why would Sony need to share the PS Eye, it's an inexpensive camera with a microphone array?

If you are going to go nuts at least have a decent argument.

Machioto5099d ago (Edited 5099d ago )

you can do hand tracking with the pseye.

cstyle5099d ago

lol...thats complete garbage. If it tracked so well they wouldn't need move at all would they? Where are all the ps eye games then? face it dude, kinect isn't perfect but its much better at what it does than the ps eye.

Anon19745099d ago

Not really new. I know in Canada they've been using motion sensing cameras (sometimes Kinect) to do the same thing. It just basically let's them manipulate a camera or switch images on a screen without touching anything. It's not really all that impressive, in my opinion.

Shadonic5099d ago

Gun on the screen to the right there's a kinect right under it that has some sort of attachment so that it can me used on that pipe that holds the screens also you don't need a 360 to use a kinect. If you believe that you do need a 360 to use one then your way out of touch with technology. Theres hundreds of different applications with kinect running on pc ranging from application of clothing to playing skyrim or street fighter with kinect. You need to open your eyes and your mind bruh.

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360GamerFG5099d ago

Lol cover up man, your fanboy butthurt is showing

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cervantes995099d ago

At least it's good for something - gaming not being one of them.

In White Goodman voice:
"Just kidding, but not really..."

IWentBrokeForGaming5099d ago

I'd love you to work on my heart with that lag...

Shadonic5099d ago

but what if the doctor makes a wrong move and that lag saves your life because it granted them priceless seconds to stop that previous move. Also the lag really isent that bad ou would have to not be playing and focusing hard on the and the pip screen to notice also lag can be diminished with good enough programing and tweak's.

Studio-YaMi5099d ago

This device is great for non-gaming related subjects,I hate it for gaming but I love it for everything else,this topic included,good job.

modesign5099d ago

so doctors are going to pretend to be operating while operating, inception.

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia1576d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog1576d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry9161576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing691576d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming1576d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer791575d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember1575d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog1576d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop1575d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic1575d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop1575d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic1574d ago (Edited 1574d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf101576d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar1576d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf101576d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell1576d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf101576d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv721576d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming1576d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog1576d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming1576d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming1576d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721753d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1753d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901752d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1752d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1752d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131752d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1752d ago (Edited 1752d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1752d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1752d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1752d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771752d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1752d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901752d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1752d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901752d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1752d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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