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Microsoft Faces U.S. Import Ban on Xbox 360

"WASHINGTON (CN) - The International Trade Commission should ban import of some Microsoft Xbox gaming consoles into the United States because they infringe on Motorola patents, an administrative law judge said.
The recommendation is limited to the 4GB and 250GB versions of the Xbox 360 S console.
Judge David Shaw also recommended that the commission prevent sale of the consoles with a cease-and-desist order, and that Microsoft post a bond equal to 7 percent of the declared value of unsold Xbox inventory already in the country."

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Dante1125111d ago (Edited 5111d ago )

Funny bit

"Microsoft argued that Shaw's exclusion order does not serve the public interest because it would leave consumers of video game consoles with only two options to satisfy their needs: the Sony Playstation and the Nintendo Wii.
Shaw rejected that argument, finding that the public interest in enforcing intellectual property rights outweighs any potential economic impact on video game consol buyers."

Don't worry though, MS will pay the 4 billion before they let Motorola (or should I say Google since they just finalize the buy today) stop shipments.

darthv725111d ago

but what I dont understand is why it took so long to even get to this point. Meaning that when ANY device is released to market. Obviously you have the microscope out to look for any and all types of patent infringement issues.

360 was released in 2005 and it was in 2010 that this really started to hit the fan. 5 years worth of sales and (to our knowledge) no word on this company or that company filing suits about patents.

MS is a software company who hold many patents to how software works for certain applications. Motorola is a hardware company that holds many patents to how certain hardware operates with certain software applications.

They have worked together before but now it seems there is a higher power at work here.

hazelamy5111d ago

but the patent only seems to apply to the xbox S.
maybe the orignial 360 didn't have whatever this patent suit is about.

Wolfbiker5111d ago

I believe only S models are being disputed.

darthv725111d ago

I still dont understand how the changes to the S constitute patent issues. It is a redesigned 360. For all we know they are using the same wifi chipset internally that they had for the external adapters.

Not much changed in the S as far as functionality and software from the original. So why now? Why this model? Perhaps between the time the original and the S there were some changing of the license agreements between Moto, MS and 3rd parties.

All of these companies license ideas from each other but it is when one gets really successful that the others cry foul as they want a bigger percentage of the take.

That doesn't seem right but it happens.

OC_MurphysLaw5111d ago

@darthv72 this is almost assuredly about the wifi built into the new S configuration. Prior to the S wifi wasn't included its really the only part of the new S configuration that would seem likely to have some kind of Motorola tie in.

zeal0us5110d ago (Edited 5110d ago )

"They have worked together before but now it seems there is a higher power at work here."

Its all about MONEY.

M$ gets paid for every android handset is sold. Anyone that sells an android handset has to pay M$ or face going to court with them due to some patents. Guess who makes android handsets? That's right Motorola

Guess Motorola probably said two can play that kind of game. Now they probably will offer M$ an option of paying them for each 360 S is sold in the near future if this ban is passed.

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Akuma-5111d ago

People still play on xbox 360. I thought people only payed xbl so they could talk and play older games

Emilio_Estevez5111d ago (Edited 5111d ago )

That is real bad news, but as with any court case, resolution will probably still take forever.

LOL, that is funny Dante, how conceited are those guys? OMG, teh public will only have 2 choices, instead of 3, what will they do? Not to mention PC

Dante1125111d ago

Word. They didn't feel that way when analysts were saying that the PS3 was doomed in 2007 ("Gaming will still continue without them"). I wonder if Motorola will ban the 360 immediately to put pressure back on Microsoft.

Draperc5111d ago

Wait, does this mean a few months from now I won't find a 4gb or 250 gb Xbox 360 in stores? I don't know jack when it comes to patents and copyright laws and such and I'm not gonna pretend I do either, can someone explain to me what this means for Xbox 360s here in the states?

metsgaming5111d ago

right now it doesnt seem to mean anything but they could ban xboxs made in china from reaching the US. If Ms believed that this could happen they would just be flooding them in before it takes effect. Lets say it does happen they would challenge it and while that challenge is happening i feel they would be allowed to keep importing while that takes place. I doubt anything will happen, they would probably settle if they think they were in deep trouble.

RedDragan5110d ago

If they challenge, pay the money to ordered to resume during a challenge, and are then found to still be in the wrong it would cost Microsoft a heck of a lot more than the 7% they need to post to keep on trading.

The money needed to be posted to continue during a challenge is just a deterent, it is the punishment afterwards if the challenge fails that is the real hard hitter.

Hicken5111d ago

It means that, depending on how long it takes the ban to be enacted(a few months or next week or whenever), there won't be any 360s on shelves, and you may not even be able to buy them from another country and import them.

Microsoft would also have to pay lots of money on the systems already here.

To be honest, this is looking bad. It's not the first court to agree that Microsoft is infringing upon Motorola patents. And with that money having to go to Google(owner of Motorola and a competitor), it could have an impact on the company's value, as well.

Draperc5111d ago

Well that bites, I was thinking of getting one for a friend's birthday. Sure hope they settle this somehow so they can keep selling them here.

KMCROC545110d ago

wonder if MS is looking to see how many patents MOTO is infringing on ,cause i can bet they are infringing on some of MS patents. like everyone has stated MS is a software maker , while MOTO makes hardware so am guessing that hardware need some software.

Hicken5111d ago

If you're planning to get one, I would suggest doing so very soon.

Draperc5111d ago

I might do that, was thinking on waiting until sometime next month so I'd have enough to get the 250 gig version, a few games, xbl gold membership and an extra controller, but by then the ban may be passed. I may just get only 1 or 2 games to go with it and he can get the xbl gold membership and extra controller at a later date.

NYC_Gamer5111d ago

MS will break out the check book soon enough

Knightofelemia5111d ago

I wonder how much this will cost MS in the long run.

LOGICWINS5111d ago

*places pinky on lips*

One...BILLION DOLLARS!

Jihaad_cpt5111d ago

lol, made me laugh. No bubbles left but was worth it

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio20d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing20d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9220d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit20d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing20d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9220d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay22d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn223d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn222d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown23d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay22d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay22d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac22d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger23d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300023d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde23d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde22d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7524d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_21d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.